Oh, God

[lirazel]

I had sworn I wasn't going to do the link-to-whedonesque thing anymore. I'm sure it annoys y'all that I constantly have to scurry back here to get reassurance. I really am going to try to do it less in the future.

But this one time, I have to get my rage out. I'm feeling sick to my stomach and shaky.

Someone on whedonesque just made the most ridiculously sexist, homophobic, patronizing, self-congratulatory comment about shipping ever. And I am ANGRY.

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Saying that everything has to come down to some ship is kind of insulting. I know you probably weren't meaning to be. But.

I'm not a shipper. You can tell by how I'm a heterosexual adult man. I just like a good story.

Shipping itself is, in my humble opinion, not just stupid but destructive to the fandom. The story is what is what it is (and I'm including the TV show in this), but I can't comment on what actually has happened because it'll offend people who think things should be another way.

Let's say I decide that Riley should have been Buffy's true love, and regardless of what happens in the show, I get angry when she hooks up with anyone else. Doesn't matter that the events clearly show that that's not happening. Im'ma get pissed anyway. See how stupid that would be?

[eta] EMPHASIS HIS.

I...just...WTF?????

I called him on it. How much you wanna bet that he'll pull the whole "oversensitive" card?

It's okay. I will link the hell out of Derailing for Dummies. Never fear.

Comments

[madcap-shiny.livejournal.com]

OH SCREW THAT.

Screw. That.

This is one of those times when I'm tempted to just get an account on a site so I can slam somebody for their stupidity. (I have never actually gone through with this. BUT OH THE ALLURE AT THE MOMENT.)

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I KNOW!

And there's totally a way to communicate the fact that you aren't fond of shipping and the way it affects fandom without BEING SO F'ING SEXIST AND HOMOPHOBIC AND LECTURING ALL US LITTLE LADIES ON HOW WE SHOULD REACT.

GRRRR!

I love you forever for being tempted. And do not blame you for not doing so. Seriously, it's an uphill battle over there.

*sigh*

[ruuger]

Good for you for calling Dispatch out, I doubt the mods would have intervened otherwise. I'm not a huge shipper myself, but the patronising anti-shipping atmosphere at Whedonesque annoys me to no end - it's a-okay to call someone a retard, but heaven forbid if you should say that you like Spike/Buffy or some other ship. That way lies the ruin of all fandom! Bah.

And I've gotta say, I didn't think I'd ever agree with KingofCretins about anything, but he's actually making sense there.

(also: Hi! I hope you don't mind that I friended you)

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Your icon is made of win! Especially in this context!

But yes. Thanks! I felt it completely necessary to appeal to the mods.

It wasn't so much the anti-shipping sentiment--I've seen that a thousand times. It was the blatantly patronizing way he said it, like as a man--a straight man--he was above such stupid, destructive things, that those are the realm of stupid women and stupid gay men.

AND THEN HE TRIED TO LECTURE US LIKE ALL WE NEEDED ALL ALONG WAS A BIG, STRONG, RATIONAL MAN TO EXPLAIN IT AND WE'D ALL SEE THE LIGHT.

I mean, the anti-shipper sentiment over there is dumb, but whatever. It's the way he said it.

I've actually been agreeing with KingofCretins since the whole Twilight reveal. I don't know that I agreed with him before anything that because I've never particularly paid attention to his other comments. *shrug*

Also, I've noticed you calling people out on sexism over there on several occasions, and I want to thank you. Sometimes I feel like you and I and a few others are the voices in the wilderness there as far as sexism goes.

And yes! Friend away! I will friend back!

[elisi]

I'm not a shipper. You can tell by how I'm a heterosexual adult man.
I... don't have any words. *walks away before she breaks anything*

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

You are a wise woman.

[bobthemole.livejournal.com]

Oh god. I'm getting really REALLY sick of women being marginalized and dismissed as fans because we're over-sensitive, emotional and - now - destructive to the One True Fandom.


Excuse me, I have to go burn a bra.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Oh, wow, I love you for this comment. You totally nailed what's going on here.

Have I friended you back? I don't even know. *scurries off to check*

[next_to_normal]

It's a good thing I don't have an account at Whedonesque or I'd probably be getting banned today. :-P

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I erased my original comment like three times before I posted. The first one was like, "OH JUST WHAT US HYSTERICAL WIMMINIZ NEEDS. A BIG STRONG RATIONAL MAN TO SHOW US THE ERROR OF OUR WAYS" etc., etc., etc. It was ANGRY.

I sometimes wish I never signed up for an account there.

Every time you use that icon, I come closer to stealing it...

[mollivanders.livejournal.com]

UM WHUT?

Excuuuuuse me, but even if I ship someone that doesn't mean I'm a) stupid, b) not paying attention to the overall story arc, c) enjoy good writing.

And if a story pairs a character (as they all seem to do anyway, which is just CANON shipping) with someone completely incompatible/weird/nobasisforarelationship then how does that make me immature for thinking the writers are paying attention to their own storylines?

Argh. How annoying and presumptuous.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

UM, YES.

THANK YOU.

*uses similar awesome-Zoe-kicking-ass icon*

[gabrielleabelle.livejournal.com]

I'm not a shipper. You can tell by how I'm a heterosexual adult man.

...because he's being a douchebag?

Okay. Couldn't resist. He left himself open for it!

I like how he added "adult" in there, implying that shippers are being childish (as well as being irrational wimmenfolk). What a charmer. I'd like to play with him.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

He did. I'm glad you went for it.

YES. hkath had a post recently about using the phrase "like a twelve-year-old girl" disparagingly that was really awesome. And I was flashing back to it the whole time. When I wasn't seeing red with rage.

I'd like you to "play" with him, too. Like Vamp!Willow and the Puppy.

[angearia.livejournal.com]

Oh my god, check out what I'm running into at Buffy Forums. There's men trying to talk about feminism and just NOT GETTING IT AT ALL.

WHY??? Why talk about something you know nothing about it and act like you're an authority who gets to pass judgment?

[gabrielleabelle.livejournal.com]

Okay, that just makes me want to cry.

And flail.

And cry some more.

Feminism should be common sense, people!

[that-september.livejournal.com]

Ugh.

Well, since he's a heterosexual adult male, and so very straight and manly and sensible, I have no doubt he'll educate you on the error of your shipping, womanly, hysterical ways.

I can see it now: "All right, let's just calm down, lady. I wasn't attacking you, just expressing my opinion, and being the hysterical feminazi that you are, you blew it way out of proportion."

Then he'll throw in something about he's not sexist or homophobic, no doubt, and inform you his problem is with shipping.

Good for you for standing up to this.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

YES. YES YES YES.

Also, your icon is PERFECT.

But thank goodness he hasn't appeared yet again.

Thanks, hon! *hugs*

[eilowyn.livejournal.com]

As if Bangel!Boinking!Day wasn't going to be bad enough . . . the douchebags are out in force. This really, really irks me when in the context of recent heated LJ conversations about representation of women in comics, but now we got to deal with this? Like I said in all facetiousness on your last post, I never self-identified as a feminist until I got into Buffy. It's really sad to see the side of fandom that doesn't find her empowering.

There is so much fail implicit in this guy's post. Even other heterosexual adult men are marginalized by this guy because they may be shippers. Good for him! Alienating even his own kind!

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I am going home tonight and watching the new episode of Doctor Who (finally!) and writing domestic!Spuffy!kitty!fic, because I just cannot handle this anymore.

There is so much fail implicit in this guy's post. Even other heterosexual adult men are marginalized by this guy because they may be shippers. Good for him! Alienating even his own kind!


YES.

[prophecygirrl.livejournal.com]

OK, INSTANT INCANDESCENT RAGE!

Where are my laser beam eyes when I need them?

I've stayed away from whedonesque today. Maybe I'll look tomorrow. But, I'm glad you called him on it.

[prophecygirrl.livejournal.com]

Did I ever tell you the story of my HS Drama teacher? He was surprised to find I liked sci-fi, because girls "aren't usually intelligent and patient enough to get into that".

True. Story.

But at least I know where all this rage on "shippers as bad fans" comes from. I haz had a breakthrough, right here on your LJ!

[xc-runner50.livejournal.com]

"I'm not a shipper. You can tell by how I'm a heterosexual adult man. I just like a good story."

Huh. I'm a heterosexual adult man shaped person, I ship Spike/Buffy, and read fanfiction by the bucket loads. Should I feel insulted a bit too? This person is so....he's a guy I'd like to kick in the nuts. Stupid people, do stupid things.


Now I'm going to go to Pizza Hut and have my comfort food.

[angearia.livejournal.com]

*hugs you*

[hyperemmalawlz.livejournal.com]

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

Seriously, people. Of course all shippers are female (or gay), probably teenagers. It's just COMMON SENSE. Anything else is crazy talk.

And those damn wummins are destroying our society! If they don't keep their place in the kitchen not saying any possible irrational and over emotional (AND NOT POSSIBLY JUST A PERFECTLY VALID PART OF FANDOM; OH NO) shippiness, then our whole system will collapse! Ohnoes!

...Wow, rant. But seriously, fail.

[serendipily.livejournal.com]

Okay, now I'm pissed. It's sucky enough to live int he most conservative state in all of the America but now to have it point blank caused to fandom is just ridiculously infuriating.

He's going to pull the oversensative card out and the "typical female" card out on you. And if he's stupid enough he might just mention your menstrual cycle. Because all females that ship are oversensative, highly emotional, stupidly flightly, bitchy and all the time on their period. Of course, he's figured us all out.

The point of fandom isn't for "us women" to to get overly hyped up about a situation we can't change, ti's about expressing our views on somethign we love, whatever that might be. We don't change only alter in a highly fashionable way. *giggles* We have fandom because it's the outlet the fandom doens't let us have. God, hsi observation is so fucking closeminded it makes me cringe.

*huffs*

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

You live in South Carolina? Is that where you are?

OH IF HE HAD MENTIONED MY PERIOD I WOULD HAVE CUT HIM.

The point of fandom isn't for "us women" to to get overly hyped up about a situation we can't change, ti's about expressing our views on somethign we love, whatever that might be. YES!

*huffs too*

[ineffort.livejournal.com]

BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD BE A SHIPPER IS IF YOU'RE A WOMAN OR A GAY MALE.

This motherfucker. The superiority and complete wrongness of that comment makes me want to smash things.

And lolol relationships, those pesky things, are often central to the story. CRY MOAR, DOUCHEBAG. /raaaaaage

Other than this fail heaped on you, how goes life, dear?

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I LOVE YOU AND YOUR RAGE. AND WHOEVER IS ANGRY IN YOUR ICON I CAN'T TELL.

It's okay. I'm feeling much better now that warm weather is here. But it's still pretty...just okay, you know? I have decided to actively start looking for a new job, though. Are you proud of me being active instead of passive?

How are things with you now that you finally found the syllabus? I'm sure you're kicking life's ass, right and left!

[bloodypoetry.livejournal.com]

And of course he has to throw that adult in there. Cause ya know, only little girls 'ship.

Not intelligent, adult women too. Nope.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Well, what's the difference, really? They're all just girls. Who need rational men to tell them how to act!

*fumes*

[anythingbutgrey.livejournal.com]

WHAT.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I KNOW RIGHT.

[hkath.livejournal.com]

Oh, what the eff. Is he seriously arguing that his penis makes him right???

I just... Wow, I kind of love fail this epic.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Is he seriously arguing that his penis makes him right???
Sounds like it to me.

I know! How is it possible to be this blatant!

I'm also sort of amused that he never popped up again after I called him on it. 100 POINTS TO ME!

[owenthurman.livejournal.com]

I'm a heterosexual adult man covered in facial and body hair and I love having a beer and bonding with the boys, watching and playing the kind of sports where people get injured, testosterone-laden status posturing, and spuffy.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

YOU WIN AT LIFE.

*loves*

[local-max.livejournal.com]

HAHAHA. Hetrosexual men like good stories, and women and homosexual men ship! Because heterosexual men aren't distracted by all that love or sex crap, no sir! Really terrible, for implying that all shippers are weak and then that women and homosexual men are weak too.

You did good by telling him off. I think Simon was reasonable in simply telling the guy not to make statements like that, and move on, though the comment still remains on the board (which is a shame, and reflects poorly on the site).

I am happy that KingOfCretins immediately identified himself as a heterosexual male adult shipper afterwards.

I promised myself I would stay out of Whedonesque after this issue came up, because it is simply getting too crazy over there. That, and I am actually (don't hurt me) enjoying the comics, and want to stay away from the negativity, even the completely reasonable kind.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Really terrible, for implying that all shippers are weak and then that women and homosexual men are weak too.
Exactly. His disdain for anyone who isn't a straight, adult man is just jaw-dropping.

Thank you!

I think Simon was reasonable in simply telling the guy not to make statements like that, and move on, though the comment still remains on the board (which is a shame, and reflects poorly on the site).
Agreed on everything.

And yes, KingofCretins got some points from me.

I promised myself I would stay out of Whedonesque after this issue came up, because it is simply getting too crazy over there. That, and I am actually (don't hurt me) enjoying the comics, and want to stay away from the negativity, even the completely reasonable kind.
I think this was wise. And I wouldn't hurt you! It isn't for me, and I do think there are some issues with it, but I have no problem with you liking it.

[bobthemole.livejournal.com]

Yaknow, the one good thing that came out of this Massive Fail is that I now know how many hardcore feminists and pro-feminists there are in my corner of fandom. It makes me appreciate this community even more, knowing that people share my RAGE.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

IT'S IS SO GREAT!