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[lirazel]

So I'm getting ready to read all of y'all's thoughts on last night's TVD (in scanning my flist, I saw about 8 reaction posts. Which makes me laugh), but I just have one thing to say about it myself.

WHAT THE HELL WHY DID STEFAN NOT AT LEAST UNDO ELENA'S SEATBELT BEFORE SAVING MATT??????????? SHE COULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF SAVING HERSELF TILL HE GOT BACK. WHAT IS THIS???????????? THAT IS SERIOUSLY ONE OF THE STUPIDEST THINGS I HAVE EVER SEEN AND I HATE THIS KIND OF STUPIDITY. I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN: IF YOUR PLOT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO ACT LIKE IDIOTS, THEN IT IS A BAD PLOT.

THERE IS NO REASON SHE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET TO THE SURFACE AND JUST NOT MADE IT IN TIME. AT LEAST THEN SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN ACTIVE. UGH I CANNOT WITH YOU SHOW.

That is all.

Comments

[angearia.livejournal.com]

THIS

What is the point of him? He has super strength so why doesn't he use that super strength to rip Elena's seat belt and pull her out. Maybe she'd float up to safety. I dunno. ANYTHING would be better than him just going DUR-DUR.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

EXACTLY. He could easily have taken both of them.

OMG YOUR ICON IS KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLING ME.

[petzipellepingo.livejournal.com]

"sighs" You're not wrong, it was a stupid move on the part of the writers - and the character. She still could have died while being in the amazingly quiet river...with no current at all...

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Yes, yes. It frustrates me even more when there's clearly another vastly less stupid route the writers could take to get the same result....

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

Why did she have the presence of mind to sit there arguing with Stefan while NEVER ONCE ATTEMPTING TO UNDO HER SEAT BELT! She tried the door, but never to undo the damn seat belt!

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

IT MADE ME SO ANGRY. SO VERY VERY ANGRY.

Honestly, I think it would have been more emotionally affecting if she'd tried to reach the surface but didn't make it. But I guess that would have undone the parallels with her parents? I don't know, the whole scene was a giant mess.

[angearia.livejournal.com]

But it wouldn't have undone the parallels! She didn't have to be completely stuck in the car. I mean, the parallels don't have to be 1:1 exactly the same. /shakes fist at TVD writers

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I think they thought they did! I would have sacrificed the parallels for SENSE-MAKING at any rate.

OR OR OR, there could have been some sort of big heavy thing pinning her in or something.

[angearia.livejournal.com]

Yep, I thought the same! Have her pinned in if she has to say in that car. Urrrgh.

[jeymien.livejournal.com]

I have a theory on this: Elena chose to die. She didn't know she'd had vampire blood. As far as she knows, Stefan and Damon were likely dying. That was her saying, save Matt. Yes, I was saying he should've got her seatbelt.. but she should've been able to get it too. She actively chose her death.


I'm also.. BWAHWHAT? at the Klaus in Tyler's body. If that's the same spell used by Esther, to switch her and Rebekah... Tyler's dead. Klaus's body is gone. That means Bonnie KILLED Tyler. I'm very pissed off at that.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

If she was actively choosing to die, the show didn't set up her actively choosing to die very well this season. Like when Buffy jumps off the tower in "The Gift," it's been set up all season that A) she'll do anything for Dawn, and B) that she doesn't want to live in this world anymore. So it makes so much sense. With Elena, they haven't laid that foundation in this half of the season.

That means Bonnie KILLED Tyler. I'm very pissed off at that

I don't know about that. It was a contingency plan for if Alaric got to Klaus--if that happened, Tyler was going to die and there was nothing they could do about it, so she decided to save Klaus (to what purpose, we'll see, I guess) by putting him a body that had already been abandoned by its soul (I'm also not so sure she didn't store Tyler's soul somewhere else. I guess we'll see!).

[jeymien.livejournal.com]

Well, her choice had to happen pretty fast. It wasn't like she was depressed or anything, it was a split second choice. In fact, it was mirrored by the flashback of her father showing Stefan to save Elena, not him in the flashback with it. She made a split second decision to save Matt, knowing she would probably die and feeling that atleast, if she was going to die, it was likely she'd be with both Damon and Stefan and that Matt would be alive. What they've been showing all this season has been the fact that Elena really can't choose. And being underwater, she still couldn't choose because she wouldn't be able to be there with Stefan when he died, even if she had chosen to get Matt to turn around and go back to him. But, she could make the heroic choice of putting someone else's life ahead of hers, and gamble on her afterlife. I guess that's what I more mean by the active death? Edit to add: Also, since the beginning of the show, Elena's showed that she's been willing to die to save others.

Also - now reading an interview at ew.com with Julie Plec. Sounds like Alaric closing the coffin could have a fake out.. Yeah, Bonnie choose to sacrifice Tyler for her friends. That's a very dark thing to do. I don't think we know that the soul was already gone,. Tyler was there. We don't really know what happens to hybrids though with their sire's death.. they're a bit different than pure vampires. I think she did choose to kill Tyler for everyone else. I don't know if Caroline will be very happy with her decision. Also odd the blood line is tied to the soul? Not the body? Though, Julie Plec is teasing that we didn't see the body ash, is it really gone?

Let’s talk about Bonnie’s deal with Klaus.
It’s the same magic that was able to put Klaus into Alaric’s body and Esther into Rebekah’s. So you can extrapolate the future of Joseph Morgan on this show from that logic.

We saw Klaus’ body burning like Mikael’s and Finn’s, so I’m thinking we’d only see Joseph Morgan himself again in a flashback or something.
You know, I myself did not see his entire body burned to bits. So I can’t say 100 percent that we’ve seen the last of him.

And Klaus really is the start of Damon, Stefan, and Caroline’s bloodline?
Yes, that is the truth."

It is interesting. Also.. WHOSE BLOOD IS IN ELENA?

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

No, I'm 100% fine with her choosing Matt to be saved. I am not fine with her not even trying to get her seatbelt unbuckled, because unless she's actively suicidal, no one in their right mind would just sit there and let that happen. I can't think of any way that would make sense unless the show had established that she was, indeed, suicidal lately. It just flat-out doesn't work for me. I'm glad it does for you, though!

[jeymien.livejournal.com]

There's also the could be panicking response. She just doesn't think of it. We see her try to break the window. We see her waving at Stefan to get Matt. I think she did try the door handle at one point? Only thing I can think of as an otherwise is that panic brain made her ignore it. Also, I can sort of understand Stefan not getting it. It's on the opposite side, he'd have to swim over and force open her door, then get it, or swim over top of Matt and her to get it, and every second counted. He trusts Elena to take care of herself.. I'm sure he was trusting her to get her seatbelt. I'm sure he thought I'm fast, I'll get Matt out of here and then I can get her, now that I know where she is. she's a smart girl, she can get the seat belt.

Yeah, no explanation of the seatbelt. I'm sure it'll come up though. If they tell us, or make us wait for the premiere to have Stefan asking her, why why didn't you get your seatbelt off? Who knows.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I'm sure it'll come up though. If they tell us, or make us wait for the premiere to have Stefan asking her, why why didn't you get your seatbelt off?

I don't really trust the writers to do that, but I will be very glad if I'm wrong and it does come up! I hope it does!

[jeymien.livejournal.com]

Me too. I really think it had to be a directorial decision or something, cause one of the first things most people seem to try to do in that situation is get out of their seat belt to try to get air at the top of the truck? The truck filled up pretty darn quick though too! I'm hoping it's addressed :)

[pocochina.livejournal.com]

It was a contingency plan for if Alaric got to Klaus--if that happened, Tyler was going to die and there was nothing they could do about it, so she decided to save Klaus (to what purpose, we'll see, I guess) by putting him a body that had already been abandoned by its soul (I'm also not so sure she didn't store Tyler's soul somewhere else. I guess we'll see!).

yeah, mte. But I think she'll be able to get him back somehow.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I think so, too.

[blackfrancine.livejournal.com]

Word.

They spend a good 45 seconds to a minute arguing underwater about whether to save Matt first or not. Hello! Just undo both seatbelts in the time it takes you to argue. Elena's conscious! She can swim her self out.

Also, Elena's got enough energy to argue with Stefan, but not enough energy to undo her seatbelt? He didn't do anything special to undo Matt's, there was not ripping or cutting or yanking. Just good ol' fashioned pushing of the button. You're telling me Elena couldn't have done that for herself once Stefan opened the door? Please.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Every single thing about the scene just made me so incredibly frustrated at the stupidity. Which is not the feeling you want your viewers to have while they're watching a scene like that. It made me so mad that it kicked me right out of the show--I was mad at the stupidity of the writers, not of the characters. When the show forces me into a Doylist pov, I resent it.

[magisterequitum.livejournal.com]

THAT IS MY THING

WHAT THE FUCKKKKKK

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I was so glad to see you upset about it on tumblr. Because I like knowing I'm not the only one being upset over things.

[magisterequitum.livejournal.com]

BLESS.

LOL, last night was fun. I feel like I got through all of my issues on Tumblr with you and a few others.

It was just like, okay, I get you want Elena to turn. But there are so many errors with that scene. COME TO THINK OF IT, WHY DIDN'T SHE PULL HER OWN SEAT BELT OFF? She totally had time. It could have been a simple fix, have it jammed or something. But noooooo.

Team Elena wakes up with some massive PTSD as a vampire and tells everyone to go screw themselves except Jeremy.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

It was fun. I usually don't end up watching the episode till Friday night, but I am really glad I watched it last night.

All they had to do was have one shot of her struggling to get the seatbelt off and not being able to. ONE SHOT.

Team Elena wakes up with some massive PTSD as a vampire and tells everyone to go screw themselves except Jeremy.

OMG YESSSSSSSSSS.

I just hope that this back-from-the-dead (kinda) plotline works as well as Buffy S6. If it does, I'm gonna be thrilled. Clean slate, show! Let's be a little less of a hot mess than this half of this season has been!

[magisterequitum.livejournal.com]

It was a lot of fun! I'm normally out on Fridays so it was fun to get to watch live.

ughhh yes. Like it would have taken all of thirty seconds to show a shot of her struggling. And the thing is Elena is selfless. She's not suicidal. There's a difference.

Oh man do I want to write fic of it now of her basically locking herself in the Gilbert home. Confused and like maybe after some time Caroline helps her adjust. And she gets angry at Damon for lying to her. And she talks to Stefan about the crap that went down.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

And the thing is Elena is selfless. She's not suicidal. There's a difference.


YES.

I SUPPORT THE WRITING OF THIS FIC.

[magisterequitum.livejournal.com]

GOOGLE DOC IS OPEN.

I am already writing her for het_bigbang, so you know. ALL THE ELENA FIC.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

God bless you.

[magisterequitum.livejournal.com]

FIC WRITTEN.

DONE AND UP ON MY LJ

I STILL HAVE So MANY FEELINGS. GOD

[ahigheroctave.livejournal.com]

Common sense has no place on this show anymore. I can't even at how stupid.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I know. I know.

[youcallitwinter.livejournal.com]

I APPROVE OF THIS CAPSLOCKED POST AND LOLOLOL, YOU KNOW THE SHOW ALSO LITERALIZED EVERY SINGLE METAPHORICAL CONCEPT WHEN ELENA HAD TO ~CHOOSE WHICH SIDE TO GO AND ACTUALLY HAD MET DAMON FIRST (how many people do you think have said "if we met first then maybe" just to let someone down gently and then THEY HAD MET FIRST, SO OBV YOU NOW LOVE ME, RIGHT?)

But that seatbelt thing. Never getting over it tbh. I tried to be all ~squee about the episode, but then the general stupidity made my head ache so I went back with a sledgehammer, hee

(But seriously, the biggest question to ask of this season is-- WHY ARE THE SALVATORES STILL ALIVE SRSLY. The Originals were all like 'lalalala, you're trying to kill us and actually kind of succeeding, how cute, we'll just skip town or torture you or hit you with baseball bats' and Evilaric didn't kill these guys either. Like BAD PLOT MUCH, show?)

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

THIS COMMENT IS THE BEST COMMENT.

[pocochina.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I can handwave Elena as at least having some sort of post-traumatic flashback, being back under the bridge, and freaking out too much to know what to do. But Stefan, REALLY THOUGH.

THERE IS NO REASON SHE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET TO THE SURFACE AND JUST NOT MADE IT IN TIME.

oh, wow, that would have had so much more poignancy.

[silverusagi]

oh, wow, that would have had so much more poignancy.

Truth. That would have made sense AND have been tragic.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

oh, wow, that would have had so much more poignancy.


I think so too! And it would have the added benefit of NOT BEING STUPID.

[silverusagi]

IF YOUR PLOT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO ACT LIKE IDIOTS, THEN IT IS A BAD PLOT

This is my gripe, too. I wrote a whole ranty page long paragraph. If they wanted her turned, could it have at least made SENSE?

Also, we sacrificed logic for the sake of literary symmetry.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

It's my philosophy on life, basically.

If they wanted her turned, could it have at least made SENSE?



I've read poorly-written fanfic that made more sense. (The "poorly-written" is there because OBVIOUSLY I've read good fanfic that makes more sense.

[mollivanders.livejournal.com]

I agree completely with everything here, I have mostly learned just not to care about the bad writing this season, otherwise I will tear my hair out. Hopefully next season will allow them to stretch themselves creatively and thus not be lazy.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

+1

[ever-neutral.livejournal.com]

lol, so much truth in one post.

[frelling-tralk.livejournal.com]

LOL I don't usually notice these obvious lapses of logic in episodes until everyone else points them out, but even I was soo confused at why Elena couldn't just swim after Stefan and Matt once Stefan had released the door