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some things. as usual, much longer and more rambly than it needs to be
1. Most important: I got hopelessly, hopelessly behind on my flist over the past week or two. As such, I’m certain I missed some things I didn’t want to miss. I’m going to try to wade through this weekend, but if you posted something (or saw that someone else posted something) that you know I’d want to see and I didn’t comment on it? Could you please give me a link? I’d love you forever! Not that I already don’t, because I do. But I’d love you forever longer.
2. Probably RPF will be popping up in my journal at some point. I know this makes several of you DELIRIOUSLY HAPPY and several more of you completely squicked. BUT I CANNOT RESIST THE AWESOMENESS THAT IS ANDREW/JESSE/EMMA/CAREY, OKAY? So that will probably happen. Fair warning.
3. I read a delightful little fic earlier that I think probably quite a lot of you missed. If you like Gilmore Girls, and you like Rory/Jess (and who doesn’t?), you should read Alice, about the next Gilmore girl. Awesome characterization and fun prose. I enjoyed it immensely.
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laeria wrote me ELEVEN AND RIVER BABYSIT LITTLE PONDS FIC. OH YES. THAT HAPPENED. I am so obsessed with the idea of little Ponds, y’all don’t even know. If I had my dream!season of Doctor Who, it would involve skipping forward in time about ten years and Amy and Rory AND THEIR CHILDREN running around in the Tardis with the Doctor and River and generally being so awesome I can’t even think about it.
5. BEING HUMAN. IN A MATTER OF DAYS. I MIGHT DIE OF EXCITEMENT. ANNIE ANNIE ANNIE AND GEORGE AND MITCHELL AND NINA. OMG SHOW! If you’re not watching that show, you really, really should be. I can’t think of a single reason not to. Except lack of access, I suppose. But other than that—no excuses.
6. I am having the world’s hardest time casting the James Garner character in my Great Escape gender swap. I’ve figured out everybody else! Why is he so difficult? Any suggestions? HARD.
7. I want to rant about something, and it involves spoilers for last night’s Community, so the rest of this is going So let’s talk about how much I hate meta-ness. No, not the brilliant essays y’all write about whatever show or whatever we’re currently obsessed with. I will always love that. Never stop writing it.
No, I’m talking about meta within the show. When the show makes references to fandom’s reaction to the show, for example, or something the characters couldn’t know but we do. It’s related to dramatic irony, but I love dramatic irony, so we won’t go there. What I hate, though, is this winky stuff taking over the show. For a couple of one-off jokes, it can be fabulous. Like, last night when THEO HUXTABLE was on the show and wearing a fabulous sweater and Jeff said, “Nice sweater,” and Theo said, “My dad gave it to me.” And we’re supposed to know that THAT WAS THEO HUXTABLE and this was a reference to Bill Cosby and The Cosby Show. That was brilliant and hilarious. Also like—“Dawn’s in trouble. Must be Tuesday.” These things are winks at the audience and are lovely forever if said with a light touch. I also like it in songs. Country music is especially good at this, writing songs that are actually about country songs. Like “You Never Even Called Me by My Name” has this entire verse that was written to include every country cliché you can think of—jail and mama and trains and dogs and pickup trucks—and it never fails to make me laugh. Or Brad Paisley writing “Ticks” which is clearly making fun of this random new rash of trashy country songs—the line “But I’ve got way more class than that, babe, that ain’t what I want” is possibly the most fabulous meta thing I’ve ever heard because he’s so aware of how not classy the song is, and I kind of love it.
But writers can take it too far. It seems to me like a new trend. I quit watching Supernautral when Jo and Ellen died, but right before that they introduced this whole ridiculously meta plotline where there were Dean and Sam fangirls and fanfiction and conventions and yeah, it was kind of funny that they were poking fun at their viewers. But the world of fandom had intruded into the story and it was both unprofessional and also distracting. DO NOT WANT.
And then there was last night’s Community. Which had some beyond awesome moments (as usual, many of them involved Troy, who is my favorite always, can I marry Donald Glover now?), but I felt cheated by the end. What happened was Jeff and Annie were doing their back-and-forth we’re-flirting-and-jealous-but-not thing. Whatever. They’ve got chemistry so I go with it. Annie basically sang “Rest in Peace” to Jeff and stormed out. And then Theo and Abed gave Jeff an ~epiphany~ and he runs off into the rain, shows up at a door, and gives a speech about how the person on the other side is the most wonderful person in the world and makes him want to be better, etc.
And I knew it wasn’t Annie or Britta. Of course it wasn’t—the show doesn’t do that and also he ran in the rain. The show definitely doesn’t do that in earnestness. And THEY DIDN’T SHOW WHO HE WAS TALKING TO. But it pulled back and it was Rich and Jeff just really wants him to teach him to be perfect or something? And it didn’t make sense. And I was pissed.
Not because of shippiness in any way. I really don’t want the shippiness on the show except for how they did it in the first season where they flirt with the idea of everybody. That’s awesome. And while I do ship Jeff and Annie when they’re in scenes together because, as I say, they’ve got the chemistry, I wasn’t at all disappointed that it wasn’t her on the other side of the door. What I HATED—really, really hated—was that the entire plot of the episode was all building up to that moment and it turned out to be a joke at the expense of shippers. And that sucks. Seriously, the entire episode was just to make that joke of “OH YOU THINK IT’S ANNIE HE’S TALKING TO BUT IT’S REALLY THE WRITERS TAKING THE PISS.”
No, Dan Harmon. Do not want. Stick to the “Modern Warfare” kind of meta, please. This sort of thing is ridiculous and, nonono not because I’m offended on a shipping level, because I’m totally not at all. Because I’m offended on a viewer of good TV level.
I also have a theory that a lot of what was wrong with S8 of BtVS is Joss trying to make some sort of statement on fandom and his show and whatever and—
No. I hate this. I don’t like it. I don’t want this anymore. I want writers to quit paying attention to fandom (except when we say, “No, this is bad and not working in any way.” Sometimes a writer needs to hear this. See: Joss and S8). I want them to quit writing our theories or feelings or selves ERIC KRIPKE into their shows. I don’t want the shows to be about me. I want them to be about the characters.
I think I’m just an earnest, sincere, sentimental person. I like dramatic irony, as I said, where we know something the character doesn’t because we’ve seen other things that are happening in the story that that character hasn’t seen, and I enjoy meta jokes now and then when they stay small. But I’m here for the story, not for some statement you’re making. If the characters aren’t doing and saying things because they are who they are then I want no part in the story. Basically, I want the author to be as far from the story as possible. I want to forget that there is an author. I want to believe that this is real. Don’t turn them into your mouthpiece or your way of making a statement on something. Have them be themselves. That’s what keeps me invested in a show. That’s why I’m a fangirl.
This is not unrelated to my hatred of hipsterism. I HATEHATEHATE their “irony.” “Oh, I’m drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon because it’s ironic!” Not funny at all, not when the working class, usually rural people I know who drink that beer have always done so because they couldn’t afford anything else and now the people who sell it are raising the price because the hipsters made the demand for it go up. “Oh, I’m living in this run-down part of town because it’s ironic!” Not cool, not when you’re gentrifying the area and strutting around like you think you’re better than the people who live there because they have no other options. “Oh, I’m shopping at Goodwill because I can find the best old t-shirts and aren’t they just so ironic!” Not amusing, because you are an asshole. And worst of all—“Oh, I’m saying this racist/sexist/ableist/whatever thing but it’s just irony, you know, I don’t really believe it.” NO. NOT OKAY. Not even the slightest bit okay when what you’re really doing is resting on your privilege and perpetuating all of those *isms by speaking and acting the way you do.
Hipsterism as an aesthetic is…whatever. I don’t like it, it doesn’t appeal to me, but then I’ve always liked pretty things, not grunge. (Thank God I wasn’t a teenager during the early 90s). But you can wear whatever you want. But it’s hipsterism as an attitude that just pisses me off so much I can’t see straight and I start cussing.
Basically, I love sincerity. I have no interest in doing anything because it’s ironic. Go. Away.
Anyways. Sorry for that ridiculous rant. I just needed to get it out of my system. I now return you to your regularly scheduled fangirling. Always in progress.
2. Probably RPF will be popping up in my journal at some point. I know this makes several of you DELIRIOUSLY HAPPY and several more of you completely squicked. BUT I CANNOT RESIST THE AWESOMENESS THAT IS ANDREW/JESSE/EMMA/CAREY, OKAY? So that will probably happen. Fair warning.
3. I read a delightful little fic earlier that I think probably quite a lot of you missed. If you like Gilmore Girls, and you like Rory/Jess (and who doesn’t?), you should read Alice, about the next Gilmore girl. Awesome characterization and fun prose. I enjoyed it immensely.
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laeria wrote me ELEVEN AND RIVER BABYSIT LITTLE PONDS FIC. OH YES. THAT HAPPENED. I am so obsessed with the idea of little Ponds, y’all don’t even know. If I had my dream!season of Doctor Who, it would involve skipping forward in time about ten years and Amy and Rory AND THEIR CHILDREN running around in the Tardis with the Doctor and River and generally being so awesome I can’t even think about it.5. BEING HUMAN. IN A MATTER OF DAYS. I MIGHT DIE OF EXCITEMENT. ANNIE ANNIE ANNIE AND GEORGE AND MITCHELL AND NINA. OMG SHOW! If you’re not watching that show, you really, really should be. I can’t think of a single reason not to. Except lack of access, I suppose. But other than that—no excuses.
6. I am having the world’s hardest time casting the James Garner character in my Great Escape gender swap. I’ve figured out everybody else! Why is he so difficult? Any suggestions? HARD.
7. I want to rant about something, and it involves spoilers for last night’s Community, so the rest of this is going So let’s talk about how much I hate meta-ness. No, not the brilliant essays y’all write about whatever show or whatever we’re currently obsessed with. I will always love that. Never stop writing it.
No, I’m talking about meta within the show. When the show makes references to fandom’s reaction to the show, for example, or something the characters couldn’t know but we do. It’s related to dramatic irony, but I love dramatic irony, so we won’t go there. What I hate, though, is this winky stuff taking over the show. For a couple of one-off jokes, it can be fabulous. Like, last night when THEO HUXTABLE was on the show and wearing a fabulous sweater and Jeff said, “Nice sweater,” and Theo said, “My dad gave it to me.” And we’re supposed to know that THAT WAS THEO HUXTABLE and this was a reference to Bill Cosby and The Cosby Show. That was brilliant and hilarious. Also like—“Dawn’s in trouble. Must be Tuesday.” These things are winks at the audience and are lovely forever if said with a light touch. I also like it in songs. Country music is especially good at this, writing songs that are actually about country songs. Like “You Never Even Called Me by My Name” has this entire verse that was written to include every country cliché you can think of—jail and mama and trains and dogs and pickup trucks—and it never fails to make me laugh. Or Brad Paisley writing “Ticks” which is clearly making fun of this random new rash of trashy country songs—the line “But I’ve got way more class than that, babe, that ain’t what I want” is possibly the most fabulous meta thing I’ve ever heard because he’s so aware of how not classy the song is, and I kind of love it.
But writers can take it too far. It seems to me like a new trend. I quit watching Supernautral when Jo and Ellen died, but right before that they introduced this whole ridiculously meta plotline where there were Dean and Sam fangirls and fanfiction and conventions and yeah, it was kind of funny that they were poking fun at their viewers. But the world of fandom had intruded into the story and it was both unprofessional and also distracting. DO NOT WANT.
And then there was last night’s Community. Which had some beyond awesome moments (as usual, many of them involved Troy, who is my favorite always, can I marry Donald Glover now?), but I felt cheated by the end. What happened was Jeff and Annie were doing their back-and-forth we’re-flirting-and-jealous-but-not thing. Whatever. They’ve got chemistry so I go with it. Annie basically sang “Rest in Peace” to Jeff and stormed out. And then Theo and Abed gave Jeff an ~epiphany~ and he runs off into the rain, shows up at a door, and gives a speech about how the person on the other side is the most wonderful person in the world and makes him want to be better, etc.
And I knew it wasn’t Annie or Britta. Of course it wasn’t—the show doesn’t do that and also he ran in the rain. The show definitely doesn’t do that in earnestness. And THEY DIDN’T SHOW WHO HE WAS TALKING TO. But it pulled back and it was Rich and Jeff just really wants him to teach him to be perfect or something? And it didn’t make sense. And I was pissed.
Not because of shippiness in any way. I really don’t want the shippiness on the show except for how they did it in the first season where they flirt with the idea of everybody. That’s awesome. And while I do ship Jeff and Annie when they’re in scenes together because, as I say, they’ve got the chemistry, I wasn’t at all disappointed that it wasn’t her on the other side of the door. What I HATED—really, really hated—was that the entire plot of the episode was all building up to that moment and it turned out to be a joke at the expense of shippers. And that sucks. Seriously, the entire episode was just to make that joke of “OH YOU THINK IT’S ANNIE HE’S TALKING TO BUT IT’S REALLY THE WRITERS TAKING THE PISS.”
No, Dan Harmon. Do not want. Stick to the “Modern Warfare” kind of meta, please. This sort of thing is ridiculous and, nonono not because I’m offended on a shipping level, because I’m totally not at all. Because I’m offended on a viewer of good TV level.
I also have a theory that a lot of what was wrong with S8 of BtVS is Joss trying to make some sort of statement on fandom and his show and whatever and—
No. I hate this. I don’t like it. I don’t want this anymore. I want writers to quit paying attention to fandom (except when we say, “No, this is bad and not working in any way.” Sometimes a writer needs to hear this. See: Joss and S8). I want them to quit writing our theories or feelings or selves ERIC KRIPKE into their shows. I don’t want the shows to be about me. I want them to be about the characters.
I think I’m just an earnest, sincere, sentimental person. I like dramatic irony, as I said, where we know something the character doesn’t because we’ve seen other things that are happening in the story that that character hasn’t seen, and I enjoy meta jokes now and then when they stay small. But I’m here for the story, not for some statement you’re making. If the characters aren’t doing and saying things because they are who they are then I want no part in the story. Basically, I want the author to be as far from the story as possible. I want to forget that there is an author. I want to believe that this is real. Don’t turn them into your mouthpiece or your way of making a statement on something. Have them be themselves. That’s what keeps me invested in a show. That’s why I’m a fangirl.
This is not unrelated to my hatred of hipsterism. I HATEHATEHATE their “irony.” “Oh, I’m drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon because it’s ironic!” Not funny at all, not when the working class, usually rural people I know who drink that beer have always done so because they couldn’t afford anything else and now the people who sell it are raising the price because the hipsters made the demand for it go up. “Oh, I’m living in this run-down part of town because it’s ironic!” Not cool, not when you’re gentrifying the area and strutting around like you think you’re better than the people who live there because they have no other options. “Oh, I’m shopping at Goodwill because I can find the best old t-shirts and aren’t they just so ironic!” Not amusing, because you are an asshole. And worst of all—“Oh, I’m saying this racist/sexist/ableist/whatever thing but it’s just irony, you know, I don’t really believe it.” NO. NOT OKAY. Not even the slightest bit okay when what you’re really doing is resting on your privilege and perpetuating all of those *isms by speaking and acting the way you do.
Hipsterism as an aesthetic is…whatever. I don’t like it, it doesn’t appeal to me, but then I’ve always liked pretty things, not grunge. (Thank God I wasn’t a teenager during the early 90s). But you can wear whatever you want. But it’s hipsterism as an attitude that just pisses me off so much I can’t see straight and I start cussing.
Basically, I love sincerity. I have no interest in doing anything because it’s ironic. Go. Away.
Anyways. Sorry for that ridiculous rant. I just needed to get it out of my system. I now return you to your regularly scheduled fangirling. Always in progress.
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Also, I wrote fic earlier this week that might interest you. bah bah black sheep, Ainsley fic
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I haven't watched last night's Community yet, but YES YES YES to this. SO MUCH HATE. I mean, the meta-commentary is bad enough being unprofessional and distracting, even if it's not malicious. But it especially pisses me off when the writer is deliberately mocking the very fans that made the show popular. It's biting the hand that feeds you, and it's totally unnecessary and makes you look like an enormous douche. Which... is probably not inaccurate in some cases.
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But I can see why you might feel otherwise.
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I agree about Community. I think Community's biggest misstep this season has been in sacrificing ALL plot and development to meta statements about TV/film tropes. I love when they incorporate the meta in with the plot. I even love the special meta-y episodes like Modern Warfare and the mobster/chicken finger episode. But it's gone too far.
HOWEVER. Part of me (the lit student with a bent towards postmodernism) loves all this. Part of me sees it as this crumbling Roman Empire of postmodernism, and I'm thrilled to see what's going to rise out of the ashes. And more personally, I've sort of been thinking about revamping my whole masters program, scrapping my post-colonialism/Modernism stuff and looking instead at intertextuality. And specifically about group-created narrative and intertextuality. So, Supernatural essentially giving acknowledgment to its fandom--and thus validating the narratives created by the fandom--fascinates me.
But I agree about mocking the fans--the Annie/Jeff thing was harsh.
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and looking instead at intertextuality. And specifically about group-created narrative and intertextuality.
I agree that it's fascinating. I honestly kind of love it with SPN because I'm not invested in the show anymore. It's when I love something sincerely that I hate. If I have no investment, I'm okay with it. But I agree that it's fascinating.
AND OMG I WOULD READ THE HELL OUT OF ANYTHING YOU WROTE ABOUT INTERTEXTUALITY. OMG OMG OMG. LOOOOVE.
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Talk more. Always.
*listening*
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Have you seen Downton Abbey? Because my review of the series is possibly the only substantive thing I've posted lately. That and the fierce ladies meme which you should at least know about :)
BEING HUMAN <3333333333333333
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BEING HUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!
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yes at all of this. Ugh, hipsters, gtfo; call me when you are actually bored by everything in the world, have no energy for putting yourself together every day, and have to live on a budget. boo.
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Possible favorite quote of all time: "…because nerds like us are allowed to be unironically enthusiastic about stuff… Nerds are allowed to love stuff, like jump-up-and-down-in-the-chair-can’t-control-yourself love it. Hank, when people call people nerds, mostly what they’re saying is ‘you like stuff.’ Which is just not a good insult at all. Like, ‘you are too enthusiastic about the miracle of human consciousness.'"
-John Green
The story of my life is swinging between being too enthusiastic about the miracle of human consciousness and being totally disinterested in everything on earth. Basically my natural tendency is hardcore nerddom, but then stupid depression barges in and drags me down. You know.
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See, I didn't think of it that way at all. Because it was so very obvious by its over-the-top-ness that it was never going to be Annie (I'm not sure Britta was ever in contention for the goal line for that sprint, other than her being the only other person we've seen Jeff have a romantic interest in) that it never felt like a deliberate thumbing-their-noses-at-'shippers thing. The whole point of that wasn't "oh look, he's going to Annie", but "it can't be Annie, so WHO IS HE TALKING TO?"
I will say, though, that I am with you on the other stuff. When you sacrifice substance for yet more meta, you're going in the wrong direction.
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Also, the word "hipster" is out of control; I swear to god, I've no idea what it's meant to mean in and of itself. I say this as someone who wears the hipster mantle pretty casually (flowered dresses 'n' indie tunes, yo), who is the least ~reserved or ~ironic human ever. WHAT DOES IT MEANNNN. A THIRD OF THE TIME IT MEANS ASSHOLES AND A THIRD OF THE TIME IT MEANS AESTHETIC AND A THIRD OF THE TIME IT MEANS EVERYTHING ON TUMBLR. I wash my hands of this linguistic nonsense, seriously.
On a pleasanter note, though, LITTLEPONDS! LITTLEPONDS! MOST PRECIOUS THING EVER TO PRECIOUS. ♥
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No, you're right--it's one of those words, like, say, "feminism" that can mean so many things to so many people. Unlike "feminism" of course it isn't necessary to fight for it, because feminism is important and hipsterism isn't. But it's like how when I say feminist and I mean something admirable and then if some jerk on the street says it he means "shrill harpy man-hating lesbian, etc., etc., etc."
LITTLE PONDS! *dies of happiness*
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I totally know what you mean about the meta-ness. I couldn't put my finger on why the fangirl SPN episodes bother me so much, but I think you just clarified it for me. I don't like "real life" intruding on the reality of the show. I don't like writers screwing with fans, or having an opinion about them appear in an episode. It bothers me.
I felt the same when Jeff was running in the rain: this show doesn't do sincere. Not really. There are a few moments, but I knew he wasn't running to Annie.
I'm not sure I picked up on the joke about/on the shippers in this episode, though. I think I took it more as the show being clever about itself--like, "Here goes Jeff, running in the rain and making a dramatic romantic comedy speech but we know that you know that Annie is not at the door!" I'm not sure they meant it maliciously, but I definitely see why it can come across that way.
I dunno. I really adore some Community episodes, and this one had its moments. But I know what you mean about that "winky-ness," and I do wish that the writers would stay away from it, for the most part.
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But that's my a tastes thing, I suppose.
this show doesn't do sincere. Not really. There are a few moments, but I knew he wasn't running to Annie.
I KNOW RIGHT? The sincere moments are so beautiful, too! And they can still be silly and quirky--Troy and Abed singing that song in S1? With the mouse? That was silly! But sweet! More of that please!
Oh, I definitely don't think it was malicious. But I popped into several Jeff/Annie comms afterwards, and all of the fans were like, "Oh, he even used the exact phrasing we do when we talk about the ship!" And I know he interacts with fans, and these ones clearly thought this was a response to them. So I kind of believed them.
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i have SO MANY PROBLEMS with hipsters, mostly because it's all about entitlement masquerading as irony-- treating the working class as an aesthetic, being offensive because it isn't offensive to you, using other people's lives-- their class, their culture as props because you are privileged enough to get away with it.
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OMG YES.
mostly because it's all about entitlement masquerading as irony-- treating the working class as an aesthetic, being offensive because it isn't offensive to you, using other people's lives-- their class, their culture as props because you are privileged enough to get away with it.
YES. THIS. THIS IS IT EXACTLY. THANK YOU.
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* me and BSG - three or four posts, mainly of ep reactions. I'm four eps into S2, I think (with more this weekend!)
* I've been watching new-to-me Ats S4 eps, for which the reaction posts are here, here, and here.
* snippets of my latest WsIP
Don't feel like you need to read them all, though. It's just lovely to have you back. :)
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And thanks! You're a sweetheart!
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I have a hard time writing RPF because...there's no real canon? And I'm one of those people who wants to know everything about a canon before I can feel like I can write. So it's slightly terrifying, but I think I might do it anyways. :D
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Okay.
1. My thoughts on Season 8 as a whole and a bit about issue 40 (oh, wait, you've seen that . . . ) and my review of Misfits series 1 may be of interest to you, as would my latest ranting and crying depression post, which is now moot because we've changed my medication. Yeah, bit of overshare right there at the end.
2. I generally don't care for RPF, but your selection of the most adorable people currently walking the Earth for your subjects? Mind might be changed.
3. Probably one of my biggest television sins is never watching The Gilmore Girls. Should it be on my already long list, or is it skippable?
4. SUCH JOY FROM LITTLE PONDS! And they are remarkably well-named, aren't they?
5. Started watching Being Human last night (finished Series 2 of Misfits . . . will have thoughts later), and I already get your Annie love. And then I had a dream where I moved into the apartment with her, Mitchell, and George, and I had the cutest luggage, but some guy spilled coffee all over it, and we were in San Francisco on a freeway that resembled a roller coaster for some reason.
6. What? You mean your dreams aren't subconsciously doing the gender swap casting for you anymore?
7. Okay, here's where we disagree: I fully expected Chang to open the door after Jeff's run through the rain. And I was okay with that. When it turned out to be Rich, I didn't find it mocking in the least, just a bit of a clever surprise. True, this season has been very meta and isn't as strong as season 1, but I'm still loving it. Theo Huxtable as Andre was brilliant casting, I'm enjoying the Jeff/Annie, but I miss all the Britta/Annie we haven't seen in a while. Someone on tumblr was ranting about there not being enough Britta in the past couple episodes, but I think that with an ensemble show one can always feel their favorite character is getting the shaft. As brilliant as Modern Warfare is, my girl Annie was but a mere blip in a trashcan, but I still adore that episode because I watch for the ensemble. And Donald Glover's abs. He has gorgeous abs.
Now, the whole meta story on Supernatural you're totally right about: it started out clever, got nerdy, took a few swipes at Wincest, then just got old. I loved the idea of the Prophet, but when a fandom really began to be shown, that's when I think it became mean-spirited. Though I did like the two guys who cosplayed Sam and Dean only to turn out to be gay partners.
I think the problem with hipsters is their irony is always such an affectation; they want you to notice they're being ironic, so that being ironic is not a natural state for them. I highly recommend the book "Hipster Christianity" by Brett McCracken to you, because it discusses what happens when irony gets placed in a religious context. You might find it interesting.
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See that's why I still haven't gone back to SPN. They brought slash incest meta into the show and: do not care, do not want. Don't want to know about slash incest, don't want to see them laughing at their fans every other episode.
I...haven't been posting lately. But. I remember this post of yours that I skimmed, something about Dexter Fletcher being on Misfits? I'm finishing up the first season and NATHAN IS SO SPIKE AND LYNDA'S KID.
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Also: hipsters suck.
Birthday fic! \O/
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