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I'm having one of those nights where I can't concentrate on anything and nothing holds my interest and basically I'm just twiddling my thumbs waiting till it's late enough so that I can reasonably go to sleep (side effect of depression? I'm going with yes, since this literally never happened to me before I hit this place).

Since there has been much discussion of A) the definition of OTP and B) Cordy/Angel on my flist of late, both of which I've enjoyed tremendously, let's do this one, okay?

Snagged from

anythingbutgrey, she of the awesome Buffyverse thoughts.

FIVE FACTS FROM MY PERSONAL CANON MEME. ask me about a pairing, i'll give you some factoids.

Let's try to stick to pairings I actually like, okay? Feel free to ask me how I feel about a given one.

And hopefully I'll, like, actually get around to answering them.

Also, I have a new layout. I think it's pretty while also being unobtrusive. I wanted something less busy and a bit easier to read.

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ANGEL/CORDELIA, FRED/GUNN, WES/LILAH.

CONSIDER IT A LATE BIRTHDAY PRESENT.

HAHAHA. It has been sooooo long since I've watched the show! I'm going to have to think about it! But I do love me all of those pairings--I love how we are of ONE MIND when it comes to pairings on that show!

Did I seriously miss your birthday? While I was off brooding and watching cheesy kdramas? I'm gonna feel horrible if I did.

IDK - BUT WE WEREN'T ALWAYS. USED TO BE BANGEL, REMEMBER. i was re-watching prophecy girl this evening and generally fast forwarded through it because ats >>> all things, but i must say they remain VERY pretty together, even if on a conscious level that ship makes no sense. how did they do that? how did they convince such a large portion of fandom that a ship that was kind of off its rocker ridiculous was the best otp of all the otps in all the lands? HOW DID YOU DO IT, JOSS? TELL ME.

MY BIRTHDAY WAS TWO MONTHS AGO, LOL. WORRY NOT.

Edited 2010-07-14 01:04 (UTC)

I SOMETIMES FORGET BECAUSE I ASSOCIATE YOU WITH RILEY.

I really don't know how they did. I think the plotting was really fantastic with the whole Angelus thing, and SMG could act even then (DB couldn't, though. It took getting his own show for him to figure it out, but I give him all the props in the world because he learned and became very god) and when she cries it makes you FEEL HER PAIN. Also, you'd be surprised at how many people just believe in the whole idea of soulmates and so buy into things like that. *sigh* But I just do not know.

OKAY I FEEL BETTER.

LOL IT'S TRUE IT'S TRUE. OTP 4 LYF. i love that kid. corn fed iowa boy.

the thing is - i totally buy into soulmates. love it. embrace it. let's go. but i don't think it's the sort of thing you realize right away, necessarily? like, i totally 100% think that angel and cordelia are ~soulmates~ as i would define it. but they certainly didn't know that at first sight - because they had to become who they were meant to become, their true selves, if you were, before those souls~ could match up. absolutely. otp. hate the word soulmate because it looks awkward and horrible, but, idk, destinies, fates, loves? i can buy into that. just not the way b/a spun it. i'm telling you though - the powers that be made those kids fall in love because it served the mission. not real. THE SECOND I CAME TO THIS CONCLUSION IT BECAME MY CANON AND I WILL NEVER LET IT GO EVER.

No, I get what you're saying! I definitely don't think we're to far apart here--I've always talked about it this way: I think my parents are soulmates in that right now there's no one else for them. But they didn't start out that way. They've spent the last twenty-five years becoming soulmates. Like you say about souls matching up. It involves a lot of hard work and it isn't at first sight (though I believe in profound attraction at first sight, that's not love--love is so much deeper and more faithful and committed and sacrificial than that). And I don't believe in destiny (I'm about as far from Calvinist as you can get and still be Christian. TEAM FREE WILL) myself but real, powerful love is definitely something I can get behind.

the powers that be made those kids fall in love because it served the mission. not real. THE SECOND I CAME TO THIS CONCLUSION IT BECAME MY CANON AND I WILL NEVER LET IT GO EVER.

I AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT.

I'm feeling exactly the same way right now. That sort of jittery boredom where you can't focus on anything for more than a few minutes and it really is just a matter of waiting to sleep. Bleurgh. I get like this fairly frequently though, so I'm kind of used to it.

UM. Victor/Sierra. or Jeff/Annie. or Rory/Amy. They're all awesome.

Um, yes. They are all absolutely awesome. Yay! Probably I won't answer (m)any of these tonight, but they're certainly coming.

It's really not fun, is it? I want it to GO AWAY because I've always had the world's longest attention span and if one thing wasn't holding my interest, I'd just change to something else and that would. But this is throwing me off because I can't concentrate on anything!

It's unfortunate.

Loving the new layout. It is so pretty. And since anythingbutgrey asked what I was gonna ask, I'm gonna coattail her. LOL

Thank you! It's fun, isn't it? There was an orange, pink, and green one, too, and I had such a hard time deciding.

I'm kind of nervous! Because it's been maybe two years? Possibly? since I watched the bulk of AtS, so I'm paranoid I'll mess up the actual canon. But I'm gonna take a whack at it.

Also, I think you and

anythingbutgrey should talk because she just recently rewatched AtS and has discovered a MAD AND PASSIONATE love for Cordy/Angel. It's adorable and wonderful and I dug this icon back out and uploaded it in honor of her new-found love.

GIRLFRIEND, WE'RE ALREADY FRIENDS. literally the day after i got into c/a, i found fuckyeahcordyangel on tumblr,

nikkiwawa79, whose the mod, and i got to talking, i friended her, she told me to friend kelly and co. and NOW I HAVE PEOPLE TO FLAIL WITH ALL THE FUCKING TIME AND IT'S STELLAR, OKAY.

OTPPPP

OH YAY YAY YAY! This makes me so happy! I love it when the right people find each other!

YYY. :D :D you're adorable. one day we will meet and our hair and brains will conquer the world. it's why they're so big. full of secrets.

-- also, continuing re: your above comment , don't worry about messing up canon, most of us seem to ignore it wholeheartedly anyway. i have to re-watch s5 in order to really be able to write this fic right, but i absolutely and completely refuse. sorry. canonical errors may happen, but no one in the c/a fandom seems to give a fuck about s5 in the slightest anyway. BECAUSE IT WAS HORRIBLE.

and i thought that long before i was c/a, as you know. don't pull that shit with my girl AND with my boy gunn and expect to get away with it. and wes/fred ew. and what was angel doing, but i didn't care about him then though now i'm in looooove.

no. worst. diaf, show.

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one day we will meet and our hair and brains will conquer the world. it's why they're so big. full of secrets.

This is my new MOTTO FOR LIFE.

OH GUNN. Definitely my boy on that show. Criminally underwritten--the show never let him live up to his potential or really be his own person. I'm still better.

"Wes/Fred ew" is the most succinct summary of their relationship I've ever seen.

I will take comfort in the fact that canon isn't required.

WE'LL GET IT ON A T-SHIRT.

GUNNNNNN. my favorite. i think if i re-did my top ten characters of the decade picspam right now, the characters of ats would take up half the spots. as it is, lilah's the only one on there but she IS number four. fyfiercebitch. i love that guy, dudette. i love him. he's somehow so there even when he rarely gets the main storylines (joss, racefail, repeat), and i blame j. for this entirely, being able to take up so much presence with so few things to say. i love him i love him, and while i hate s5 for jacking his character, there is some part of me that loves what they COULD have done with it, all that conflict and desire to be better and be more than the muscle, which by the way, re-watching s2-3, they REALLY refer to gunn as 'the muscle' all the fucking time and it's really really not okay. and i love what s5 could have done with him, what they mentioned when fred died because the entire fucking world had to mourn fred when no one could find the time to mourn cordelia. fuck that noise. anyway. gunn was a wonderful character who could have shown forever if they gave him the spotlight. the only thing he did in s5 was get fred killed. i hate this show.

wes/fred ew is, you will find, generally my only reaction to wes/fred, because, well, ew. sometimes i'm tempted to get someone to explain it to me because it literally makes no fucking sense before you even get to how it assassinated both characters involved, but i don't know if i could sit through it and i don't know, honestly, if anyone would have a reason. "I JUST SHIPPED IT~~" shut up. i want facts, information, data, emotional contact. i want wes to look at fred with a tenth the amount of joy with which gunn looks at fred.

DO YOU SEE THIS COMMENT. i think i'm going to make another btvs/ats flail post with my comments i've made on the subject in the last two days because AS IT TURNS OUT I HAVE THINGS TO SAY. and i don't think anyone i know ships wes/fred? or maybe they never mentioned it. fuck that noise. there was a picspam of them on tumblr the other day and i just looked at it and went "... i still don't get it." even in the moments i'm not mad about it, i just don't get it. not like how i was saying i don't get spuffy, because spuffy is logical to me, when i say i don't get it i mean my emotions don't match up with it, but i understand it even if i don't ship it, it makes sense, there's a reasoning behind it, and it didn't, you know, assassinate characters. there was ACTUAL CANONICAL BUILDUP AND EMOTION THERE. wes/fred? WHAT IS IT DOING HERE? WHY DOES IT EXIST? WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE?

Hello. I don't know you. But you might be interested to know that you are so going to get me busted at work. This:

wes/fred? WHAT IS IT DOING HERE? WHY DOES IT EXIST? WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE?

just made me lol. And then I had to snicker and try and control the lol. To no avail, btw. So now everyone knows I'm not working, dammit. Anyhoo. YOUR WRATH AND RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ON THIS TOPIC IS VERY ENTERTAINING.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THANK YOU I HAVE SO MUCH RAGE ON THE TOPIC OH GOD.

Topher/Bennett. (I dare you to make personal canon within the ~5 scenes they had together!)

This will be a true challenge! I will get back to you!

Veronica/Logan!

Jenny/Tommy!

So many awesome pairings! I'm gonna be working on this for a while, methinks.

BUT YOU HAVE TO DO C/A FIRST, MY SOUL IS ON THE LINE.

okay you don't have to but i will provide gifs and photographs of candy!

Hahahaha I'll work on it!

EEEEE!!! Lookit all the C/A lurve going on around here! *claps hands and bounces on feet* What a happy bunch of comments!

I must concur with everyone else. I'd love to read your thoughts on C/A. And here's a vid to inspire you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFm5JGDLC9g

It says pretty much everything I love about the two of them - and why I will ship them as hard as my heart can take it forever :D

Pick whichever you like! :)

+ Rory/Jess
+ Richard/Emily
+ Ron/Hermione
+ Gaius/Six
+ Anne/Gilbert

Hmmm... Tony/Michelle? ('Cause I know you ship it in a slightly different way ;D).

I'm not totally sure which pairings you do and don't like, but how about Jeff/Annie and Parker/Hardison?

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