*iz ded*

[lirazel]

OH WOW.

The part of me that's all YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS about Tony/Priya (THEY HAVE A BABY! THEY STILL LOOOOOVE EACH OTHER) is conflict with the part of me that's all NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO about Topher (MY BAAAABY!).

...

more thoughts later.

Comments

[angearia.livejournal.com]

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL!

I loved this. Wow. So emotionally satisfying in the sense of hitting all the notes.

(I ECHO YOUR MY BAAAABY!)

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I've got all this energy now! I need to go out and run around the house, except that it's cold and snowy. But I was SO INTO IT. Joss really came through, and I honestly hadn't expected him to. But this episode justified all these months of trying to--and sometimes actually managing to--care.

(I just want to huggle him for the rest of time. OH TOPHER.)

[snickfic]

This is me, *not reading the spoilers* and lamenting that my will I/won't indecision is moot. My internet connection here is so much worse than it was three months ago that I can't watch any more Dollhouse - at least, not the way I have been. *whimpers*

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

OH YOU WILL DIE.

And do not read the spoilers. Don't do it. Ever.

[hkath.livejournal.com]

I echo (ha) both your reactions. DAMN, that was awesome. And even though I'm hurting over Topher, I'm hurting even more for Adelle having to live with what happened to him :(

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Hee!

It was so good. And YES re: Adelle. I love how much she loved him. They had a gorgeous relationship. Now I want her to stumble upon Mr. Kick Ass Dominic and him make her happy and her tell him all about her feelings about Topher. That's what should happen.

Also, I want to know what happened to Ivy. And Whiskey. And Dominic. THERE'S SO MUCH MORE.

[hkath.livejournal.com]

God, that *is* what should happen. And Dominic is still resentful of her for sending him to the Attic (twice!) but she's in such obvious pain and he totally cares for her in spite of himself.

I'm thinking Dominic has been all badass bitter underground freedom fighter since he got out.

I didn't even think of Ivy until someone else mentioned her, but I was really looking forward to finding out who Whiskey used to be!

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

YESYESYES! I totally agree!

I like to think that Ivy is working with Dominic. As the person who helps them with their tech, y/y? I just made that up.

Yeah, it definitely would have been interesting to find out who she was, but all things considered, I'm not disappointed that we didn't find out. I would have liked to have seen her there in the dollhouse waiting for them when they got back, though, possibly working with Alpha. Stupid Amy Acker's schedule!

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I hope someone reveals that in an interview or something. Who was she to Topher? It seems fairly obvious that he knew her.

Didn't we get a hint of a real name or something?

[madcap-shiny.livejournal.com]

I KNOW, MAN.

That was beyond excellent. Nice one, Joss.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I LOVED IT I DID.

I just wish it hadn't taken that long to get awesome again. This show was so uneven.

[madcap-shiny.livejournal.com]

AW MAN I KNOW. There are some people on my flist who think this show is kind of vile, and I...can easily see where they're coming from. I remember Joss talking in an interview about how the sexual themes of the show were what he was interested in exploring and FOX made him tone it down and that bugged him, and I was like, "Oh, Joss, no. The squick there is what drove so much of your usually hardcore fanbase away."

I also remember someone making a crack was something along the lines of "it's like there's this guy who draws really good pictures of kittens, and you love his work, and then he draws the worst kitten ever, maybe it's a kitten inside out, and you don't understand what happened." Which, there were lots of things about the show I did like, but...yeah. Yeah.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I read that interview, and it disturbed me greatly. Apparently he wanted to get into the customers' heads? UH JOSS DID YOU MISS THE MEMO? THEY WERE CREEEPERS.

Thank you, FOX, for that one thing. We really dodged a bullet.

I can also definitely see where your friends are coming from; I was often at that place myself. But Topher's arc alone redeems it for me.

Ha! Kittens! I am amused. I just can't get over how uneven it was. It blows my mind. The things I loved, I loved so hard, and the things that sucked, sucked so hard and then there was blahness...

But as someone pointed out, it was still, overall, better than the comparable first 26 episodes of BtVS, honestly. Barring "Prophecy Girl," nothing in the first 26 episodes of BtVS could match the emotional intensity of "Belonging" or of Topher's arc.

Of course, then came "Innocence" and such, and the show just didn't stop being awesome. It would have been interesting to see if it would have eventually become as awesome as BtVS. I doubt it, mostly because of the themes, but it still could have been great.

[author-by-night.livejournal.com]

"Oh, Joss, no. The squick there is what drove so much of your usually hardcore fanbase away."

This. Of course, I then remembered that even in Joss's earlier shows he's had sex where he could fit it - Inara being a "companion", and Buffy dressed pretty wild for a teenager in seasons one and two (she toned it down in season three), and then had that creepy "relationship" with Spike in the sixth season. Still, that's also what drove a lot of people away from Buffy, and that's what drove people away from Dollhouse. Even I was driven away - and didn't get back into it until a friend of mine convinced me the show did eventually become less about Dollsex and more to the real point. I was so close to missing out on something truly wonderful though.

[babydolleyez.livejournal.com]

I have feelings that can only be expressed through flaily hands. I just wish I had gotten to watch this with my brother (I hooked him over winter, and he's only gotten to watch the past two live with me, though I got to watch all of it with him completely unspoiled)

So...has Joss gone soft on us? This pretty much makes TWO happy end game couples for him. Along with a father trying his damnedest not to suck.

TOOOOPHER. And the last thing he was was the remembrance wall...

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I understand the need for flaily hands. I am often in that place myself. Too bad about your brother!

DEAR GOD I HOPE HE HAS. It may be the actual depiction of a father that comes through that most surprises me and pleases me. Joss must have daddy issues.

I loved that he turned around and saw all the people he's saving. OH TOPHER.

...I might have to steal that icon.

[redsilverchains.livejournal.com]

Haven't seen it yet but YOUR TAGS ARE MAKING ME HOPEFUL!

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

BE HOPEFUL. BIG EMOTIONS! I can't wait to hear what you think!

[rebcake.livejournal.com]

How many hankies did I go through while watching this ep twice in a row? Not telling.

"Can I help you burn stuff?"

My kid has already made sketches for her "Tech Head" Comic-Con outfit, so please send all dead flash drives, so that she can put tape labels on them for "goodness" and "mercy" and probably "hope" and "charity" as well. *falls over*

Am I the only one watching Echo lose it over Paul and thinking here is the missing scene of Buffy after Spike's (supposed) demise? *whimpers*

[petzipellepingo.livejournal.com]

Am I the only one watching Echo lose it over Paul and thinking here is the missing scene of Buffy after Spike's (supposed) demise? *whimpers*


Nope, the whole speech was classic Buffy - especially the "I am always left alone" part and all the regrets for what she never said.
Plus, Ballard was called "Big Bad" Ballard. Joss left a bigger trail of breadcrumbs than Hansel and Gretel over the two of them being surrogates for Spike and Buffy.

[ohwaluvusbab.livejournal.com]

Huh. I wouldn't have likened Paul/Echo to S/B of all pairings, but... yeah, I can sort of maybe see it in the "I've been knocking 10 years, you've never let me in"/"I've let you in a few times" exchange.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Joss left a bigger trail of breadcrumbs than Hansel and Gretel over the two of them being surrogates for Spike and Buffy. I would lovelovelove to hear your other breadcrumbs for it. Because I kind of love this idea even if Echo/Paul freaks me out.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I have now watched it two and a half times. I suspect I'll watch bits of it at least once more before I go to bed tonight....

Oh, that's so cool! I bet her costume will be so cool! She's obviously way creative, and I am jealous!


Am I the only one watching Echo lose it over Paul and thinking here is the missing scene of Buffy after Spike's (supposed) demise? *whimpers* I rewatched it after reading this comment, and you're so right. Word for word, it could have been Spike and Buffy, and now I'm depressed unless I tell myself that Buffy had a similar offscreen reaction (preferably with Faith in the room, just because). I love that you noticed that.

[petzipellepingo.livejournal.com]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO about Topher (MY BAAAABY!).


True but I bet Adelle was proud of his sacrifice.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Oh, I'm certain she was. I think their relationship is completely gorgeous. Every time she called him darling, I freaked out a little bit. She was so beautifully maternal, and she had every right to be proud of him.