lirazel: An outdoor scene from the film Picnic at Hanging Rock ([dh] not the bad man)
lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2010-01-29 08:05 pm

*iz ded*

OH WOW.

The part of me that's all YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS about Tony/Priya (THEY HAVE A BABY! THEY STILL LOOOOOVE EACH OTHER) is conflict with the part of me that's all NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO about Topher (MY BAAAABY!).

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more thoughts later.

[identity profile] author-by-night.livejournal.com 2010-02-01 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Joss has a thing for prostitution

I think he has a fascination with sex, period. And I hate saying it, and I used to yell at other people for saying it, but... I think he does. As I said before, even in the early Buffy seasons, Buffy dressed like she was on her way to a nightclub. At fifteen. Can we say ew? I know a lot of teenagers dress like that, but not the "strong kickass girl" Joss meant for Buffy to be. Then later on, Buffy had that creepy thing with Spike, although apparently that was mostly Marti Noxon (Nixon?)

In fairness to Inara, I do think the intention was for her to be more of a spiritual figure. And I can see that. But it was still a bit creepy.

I like Joss, I do. I just think that while he may be a male feminist, he's also obsessed with women who wear skimpy clothing and give themselves away to just any man. That's creepy.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think it's necessarily bad to have an interest in sex or to want to explore it. Many of my favorite works of literature--say, Dangerous Liaisons or Madam Bovary--explore that very topic. But I do think he's looking at it from a privileged perspective that makes a lot of his interests inherently squicky and self-indulgent--mostly because he thinks he's making some grand feminist statement when he isn't at all.

Although I'm a really big fan of S6 of BtVS. I find the relationship between Buffy and Spike in that season really compelling and nuanced, as twisted as it was. It definitely wasn't healthy, but it was endlessly fascinating, and very real (I've watched people suffering from emotional problems--bipolar disorder, etc.--use sex in a way very similar to the way clinically depressed Buffy acts there). And I lovelovelovelovelove all the gender role inverting that was going on there.

People "blame" Marti Noxon for S6, but the buck always stops with Joss. "Seeing Red" was her idea (and I still think it was a bad one), but Joss had the final say on everything.

In fairness to Inara, I do think the intention was for her to be more of a spiritual figure. And I can see that. But it was still a bit creepy. Agreed.

I just think that while he may be a male feminist, he's also obsessed with women who wear skimpy clothing and give themselves away to just any man. I've definitely had some conversations before about how I dislike the way he says he wants to tell women's stories--but what he really wants to do is tell the stories of conventionally attractive young women. Which was why I was glad to see both Adelle and November/Mellie on DH. Because even though they're both gorgeous, one is a little older and one is less of the Hollywood style of attractiveness. It was a good first step--now I want him to go further.

But I do think he definitely has an interest in prostitution specifically, and as I am not a fan of the institution for many reasons (though I do absolutely hate the demonization and othering of women who either choose or are forced into that lifestyle), that squicks me.