*hulksmash*

[lirazel]

OH, SCREW YOU, KRIPKE.

SCREW. YOU.


ETA: Oh, yeah. Spoilers in the comments.

Comments

[molly_may]

I just got home from work and this is the first post on my flist! So, did Kripke say something especially stupid, or did you just get caught up on Ellen and Jo's fates?

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I was sitting there sobbing my eyes out, thinking, "He still doesn't get it." Every. Woman. Evil or dead. Every. One.

And then I was bitter that I let him emotionally manipulate me into crying. I comforted myself by reminding myself that Ben Edlund, whom I still love in spite of everything, wrote this episode. It was a small comfort.

[molly_may]

I admit, I just deleted the season pass off my DVR after that episode because I'm getting zero enjoyment out of a show that thinks women are completely disposable. Bobby gets to live forever but Ellen and Jo both have to die? Whatever. Clearly, the only good woman is a dead woman in that universe.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I do not blame you at all. I'm very, very tempted to stop downloading the episodes for the same reason.

[that-september.livejournal.com]

That episode reduced me to sobbing, too.

Sometimes, I don't know why I bother anymore. *sigh*

[deird1]

Oh dear. What'd he do now?

[angearia.livejournal.com]

Hey, what show/person is this? *so confused*

[deird1]

Supernatural. (Or I'm pretty sure it is, anyway...)


A show which is apparently quite fun, but tends to have quite problematic issues with women - most of them end up evil or dead.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Yup, Supernatural.


A show which is apparently quite fun, but tends to have quite problematic issues with women - most of them end up evil or dead. And that's the long and short of it, yes.

VERONICA! Now there was a show that loved strong women. *misses Veronica and Mac*

[angearia.livejournal.com]

Wow, that sounds bad. That would drive me pretty crazed since I'm all about strong women on shows.

[madcap-shiny.livejournal.com]

I remember one time I was watching VMars with my mom and she commented, "This show is hard on women." She was talking about someone's character death - Mindy's, I think? - coupled up with the show's heavy, heavy emphasis on rape, which I will admit to feeling squicked out about on multiple occasions (I had the same issues with Dollhouse). I could see her point, but all the same I would rather watch something like that on a show that's overall trying earnestly to present strong women, even if they aren't successful at times, than SPN's off-the-rail failure. NO REALLY WHAT IS KRIPKE'S DEAL.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

He killed off the last two recurring female characters on the show. The only one we have left is--guess what--a demon. An evil, evil demon.

Also, both of the characters were totally badass. I'm pretty infuriated.

[deird1]

...once again fridging them to give the Winchesters more angst?

[ineffort.livejournal.com]

I don't watch religiously anymore, but I heard and I saw the clip so yeah.

*INSERT UNDERSTANDING FACE HERE*

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I'd given it up. I didn't watch the last half of S4 until...three months ago? Maybe. And I've just sort of been downloading and then watching when I have spare moments. And I've liked some of the new mythology--and Dean continues to be wonderfully, wonderfully self-loathing, which I love.

But I loved Alona Tal so hard in that scene. She had me sobbing like a baby. WHICH WAS MORE THAN KRIPKE DESERVED. But I told myself that I was crying for Alona, not him, and felt slightly better.

[madcap-shiny.livejournal.com]

I didn't see the ep, but I just looked up spoilers out of curiosity and AW HELL NO.

Seriously, I get that this show is about the brothers and there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but is it too much to ask for a recurring female character who a) is good and b) does not die?

I mean, I know that fandom is often filled with shrieking fanbrats who think girls are totally gross and will ruin the Winchesters/the show with their vaginas, but I like to expect better from canon.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

AMEN. AAAAAAY-MEN.

I'm so infuriated right now. And at the same time, I'm not at all surprised.

[serendipily.livejournal.com]

^gasps*

How DARE you?!

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

How dare you not?

[serendipily.livejournal.com]

How dare you not explain to me what thou speaks of?

[anythingbutgrey.livejournal.com]

this. i don't --

i don't know what to do anymore.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I know. I'm infuriated, but at the same time, I'm not at all surprised. Not even a little bit. I don't know what to do either.

[anythingbutgrey.livejournal.com]

when i saw jo and dean kiss in the preview i knew she was going to die. IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS WAY.

there's a teacher at my school who does research on the spn fandom. and is a feminist. i wonder what she thinks about all this.

:|

[eldritchowl.livejournal.com]

i'm so tired of every female just being a vehicle for the winchester's man-angst. ellen and jo were my longest-standing favorite characters on that show.

i'm beyond indignation and mostly into that harrumphing stage. i am pretty through with the spn fandom and its misogyny and now i just hide out in pockets of the fandom where i don't want to headdesk my way to an early grave.

Re: :|

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

i'm so tired of every female just being a vehicle for the winchester's man-angst. That it in a nutshell, isn't it? The women don't have agency of their own--it's all about how they relate to the Winchesters. It both infuriates me and makes me sad.


i'm beyond indignation and mostly into that harrumphing stage. I understand.

And I've never really had much to do with spn fandom at all. I read some fic on ff.n, where I could easily avoid any conversation. There's some fabulous stuff there. But I stay far, far away from it on lj.

And your icon is reminding me of how much I loved Ruby 1.0. I hated her at first but I ended up really liking her. I'm still angry that they took the easy way out and made her evil. *sigh*