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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2012-03-14 08:55 am

because what else am i going to do while at work?

A random comment by [livejournal.com profile] mollivanders gave me an idea for a meme:

Give me a text (book, TV show, movie, etc.) and I will tell you what I would have done differently if I had written it. Not little details, necessarily, but big plot or theme or characterization choices.

[identity profile] muneca-brava.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Harry Potter? (first thing that comes to mind because of the icon ;))

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I have so many feelings on this.

First of all, I would have told the story of the first war, and I would have focused on the Black sisters. Probably with Andromeda as the main character, but using the three of them to explore everything that happened during that war.

But if I had chosen to tell the story of the second war, I would have had Hermione be the main character because, as [livejournal.com profile] anythingbutgrey always says, the war is about her blood.

And finally, if I had written them with Harry as the main character, the books after OoTP (which I love) would have been about THE ACTUAL WAR instead of high school love triangles and camping. Like, the Order of the Phoenix would have been fighting and smuggling muggle-borns to safety and such. I wanted a war narrative, and I didn't get it. *wistful sigh*

[identity profile] muneca-brava.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, mostly I do love Harry and the story we get etc. But then I think about books that focus on the Black sisters or a Seventh book that was actually about the war (alt!trio!) and I get sad. So yes, I agree with all this. And more focus on Hermione and her position as a muggleborn in a war that is about killing muggleborns would have been good, yeah :/.

And sometimes I think 'oh well that's what fanfic is for' but then I go look and all I find is Harry/Draco porn. You gotta love fandom's priorities sometimes :P

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I am a fan of the books. I love them loads. But I feel like there's so much wasted potential there! If I were ever to write an epic-length fanfic of any kind, it would be a rewrite of DH where the trio stay at Hogwarts and they and the Alt!Trio and the rest of the DA ACTUALLY FIGHT THE WAR. That is what I wanted to see.

And sometimes I think 'oh well that's what fanfic is for' but then I go look and all I find is Harry/Draco porn. You gotta love fandom's priorities sometimes :P

You make me laugh and cry at the same time.

[identity profile] muneca-brava.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I've said this before but if you ever end up writing that fic you will be my favourite person. I'd love to read that. :)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think I'll ever be able to actually do it (such a commitment!), but I am pleased to hear this nonetheless.

(I would pay someone else to write it for me. Someone talented.)
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[identity profile] redsilverchains.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Sensing there'll be a LOT of things: The Hunger Games?

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
SO MANY THINGS.

I would have had the text deal more explicitly with Katniss's feelings re: Peeta and the line between pretend and reality. I would have had Peeta taken and brainwashed in the second book so we could actually DEAL WITH THIS in the third and see why these two would fall in love. Also, I would not have had Katniss have kids.

The Quarter Quell didn't really need to happen? Book 2, other than introducing great new characters--I love Finnick! I love you Johanna!-- was kind of worthless to the overall plot? Like, I would have expanded the war into two books instead of trying to fit it in one. (I always want a war narrative. I am predictible.)

FIX THE PACING IN THE LAST BOOK.

CINNA AND FINNICK MY BABIES DON'T LEAVE ME. I don't know if I could have killed them off, seeing how much I love them.

Those are just the first ones that come to mind.
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[identity profile] redsilverchains.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I would have had the text deal more explicitly with Katniss's feelings re: Peeta and the line between pretend and reality

I really wanted to love Katniss/Peeta more! But my reaction to them in the last book was: "oh okay. Them together? That's…good, I guess?" Just…tepid. Once read someone describe this ship as very situational, and I think that's what niggles at me. Whenever they're in the arena saving each other left and right, when they plain CAN'T LOSE each other, I get it. In the quiet moments, in the dust-settling-down moments? Not so much.

And bam, that’s what hit me at the end of Mockingjay: how are these two going to get on after the end of the war? I feel almost sad, thinking of them left with each other.

I enjoyed the Quell because of the pacing and because I find the politics of the Victors absolutely fascinating…but you are right, what did it do? Panem was already stirred up; Katniss and Peeta and the rebels could’ve gone straight to business, really. Oh how I wanted to see Peeta actually using that famous charisma to lead. And more Mockingjay action from Katniss, please! Would not have said no to two books of her kicking ass and taking names around Panem.

CINNA AND FINNICK MY BABIES DON'T LEAVE ME.
:( I do not know what was worse…watching Finnick die like that or Cinna just gone like that.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
But my reaction to them in the last book was: "oh okay. Them together? That's…good, I guess?"

Yeah, me, too. I didn't believe it. I've read some good fic, but other than that....I definitely don't ship Katniss/Gale, so I was kinda Katniss/Peeta by default, but the more I think about it, the less satisfied I am with the execution of it.

Whenever they're in the arena saving each other left and right, when they plain CAN'T LOSE each other, I get it. In the quiet moments, in the dust-settling-down moments? Not so much.

And bam, that’s what hit me at the end of Mockingjay: how are these two going to get on after the end of the war? I feel almost sad, thinking of them left with each other.

OMG YES YES YES YES YES to all of your thoughts. Yes.

because of the pacing and because I find the politics of the Victors absolutely fascinating

Agreed there, though I think the politics of the Victors could be explored in a different context that had more to do with the plot.

Oh how I wanted to see Peeta actually using that famous charisma to lead. And more Mockingjay action from Katniss, please! Would not have said no to two books of her kicking ass and taking names around Panem.

ABSOLUTELY.

:( I do not know what was worse…watching Finnick die like that or Cinna just gone like that.

I am weeping.

[identity profile] mollivanders.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I may as well ask - The Hunger Games?

Okay, never mind. What about a Jane Austen novel of your choice?
Edited 2012-03-14 15:49 (UTC)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN KNOW.

It's been a long time since I've read any Austen except Emma (which I would change just about nothing about, as sometimes uncomfortable as it makes me), like high school long. So I'll focus on screenplays instead, okay?

What I hate most about the screenplays and the public's perceptions of these stories is that so many of them treat them as straight-up romance where the conflict arises from whether the leads will get together. Whereas in most of her books (Emma aside), the conflict is IF I DON'T GET MARRIED MY FAMILY WILL STARVE. Like, actually be poor. Sure, it's great that the ladies end up with guys they love. But there's some dark undercurrents in these books, that looming poverty lurking in the future, the constant awareness that these women have no control over their lives, have no options. It's heartbreaking. And I feel like so often people gloss over that and treat them just like a lighthearted romantic romp.

[identity profile] blackfrancine.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
True dat.

This is actually my favorite thing about the Keira Knightly P & P--the scene where Charlotte gives Lizzie what-for about being terrified about being a burden on her parents--about this being her last chance to get married and therefore fulfill her only chance to be considered anything but an utter failure. SO DON'T JUDGE, LIZZIE.

That version fails in plenty of ways, but I really do think it succeeds in capturing the stress around finances and marriage for women. Other versions tend to leave you with the impression that the girls/mother are money-grubbing, looking for wealthy husbands. They don't make it clear that they will all starve when the father dies if the girls don't get married.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Other versions tend to leave you with the impression that the girls/mother are money-grubbing, looking for wealthy husbands. They don't make it clear that they will all starve when the father dies if the girls don't get married

SERIOUSLY. The fact that these women have no other options forces them to view marriage as a mercenary thing.

[identity profile] ahigheroctave.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Can I have both That 70s Show and Supernatural?
Edited 2012-03-14 16:03 (UTC)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the major one on T7S show is having Hyde and Jackie end back up together. I mean, first off, the married-to-a-stripper thing didn't even make any SENSE, but second, Jackie ending up with Fez made even LESS sense. I could see ending it where she's not with anyone, but FEZ? NO. I'm talking about from a pure characterization perspective, not even as a shipper, I hated what that said about Jackie. So anger-inducing.

I also would have kept Eric on, or at least not introduced Randy, but I guess that was out of the writers' hands.

As for SPN, uuuugh, I would kill off more men and less ladies and make the lady-killing filmed less sexually? I would have brought Jo and Ellen and Ash and the Roadhouse on as a constant element. I wouldn't have necessarily had Jo get romantically involved with either of the boys, but I think having a spunky little sister figure could have been fantastic. And having Ellen and Bobby BOTH looking out for the boys would have created an extra bit of security for them. The boys could make stops at the Roadhouse between jobs and we could have had a sort of home-base for them. I like the roadtrip elements of the first season, but I feel like once the show started to create an actual mytharc, they no longer needed to have just two (and then later three with Cas) constant characters.

I also would not have killed Bela off for no good reason. NO GOOD REASON.

[identity profile] madcap-shiny.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
TVD and VMars!

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
More Bonnie. Bring in a witch who can mentor her now that Grams is gone. Or deal more explicitly with how hard and overwhelming it must be to figure out this magic thing without any guidance. Like, they touch on this at times, but then they skirt away from it, and it is so fantastically frustrating. QUIT TEASING ME, SHOW.

I would not have had the retcon with the whole "Cassidy's actually the one who raped her!" thing. I'm fine with him blowing up the bus (well, not fine, but you know), but that whole bit was TOO FAR. I mean, the whole rape thing was suspect from the start (and I wouldn't have had it in to begin with), but that just made it seem so lazy. As we all know, I would have had way more interaction between Cassidy and Kendall and have them trying to take over the world together while hating each other. And more Logan and Weevil scenes, since they're more alike than they'll admit and should be interacting more. I also think the Wallace-gets-in-trouble plotline in S2 is weird? I would have come up with a way better plot for him and let him have more screentime and development.

And what even is S3, I don't even know, I can't even touch that.

[identity profile] garnigal.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Lets go way back - Anne of Green Gables.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm...this is hard! Very hard! Since I read those books so often at such a young age they're like part of my heart, you know?

Rilla is almost flawless, but I would probably have more of Ken so that we could really get to know him.

I also could have used more Gilbert interaction in Anne of the Island.

I would have written more about Anne trying to keep up with her college friends--Phil and Stella and Priscilla--in later books. And Diana of course.

But other than that, nothing is really coming to mind!

[identity profile] garnigal.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
After I commented I realized there was very little I could think of to change. They are quite well written and solidly plotted, with every choice making sense for the characters within the scope of seeing the world through Anne's eyes.

Maybe more Marilla, and how Anne's perception of her changes as Anne matures and has children.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh. That's a good suggestion!

[identity profile] streussal.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Rilla of Ingleside is actually my favorite in the series after the first one. She looks after the baby despite disliking babies and thinking THIS IS SUCH AN UGLY BABY. And Walter :( AND WALTER AND UNA it makes me sad everytime.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-03-14 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually don't think I'd change anything about Gen 1 except:

1) No Sketch. That plotline was gross.
2) I wouldn't have Cassie be gone for so long in S2. Because I feel like I never got to see her and Sid together, so I didn't entirely believe that they were really in love in love? Like, everyone's talking about how they're in love, but I didn't get to see that much. So I would have seen that more.

UGH GEN 3 I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

There are loads of things I would do differently but all I care about at this point is my Gracie-girl being alive and happy with Rich. And I probably would have had them actually get married. Ugh, I can't think about this anymore.

[identity profile] ever-neutral.livejournal.com 2012-03-15 09:28 am (UTC)(link)
2) I think I'll agree with that. Cassie and Sid = ♥, but I'm not sure that even THEY knew why they loved each other, lol.

Gen 3. Yeah. I hear nothing but badness. Though apparently the Liv episode is good. I'm not sure if I care enough to see for myself tbh.