Annoyance of the day:

[lirazel]

People who flat-out say that Buffy didn't love Spike despite the fact that she said she did.

She said she did. The only reason we have to believe that she didn't is one thing Spike said, and since when do people believe anything that comes out of Spike's mouth? Boy can speak the truth that no one else will, but he also says a ton of b.s., and everyone knows it.

I just hatehatehatehatehatehate all of these people sitting around telling a woman (and it would be a woman--if a man said, it I think a lot less people would disagree with her) who finds it nearly impossible to say the words "I love you" even to people she regards as family (remember "Intervention"? That's canon) that she doesn't love someone when she said she did.

I don't have a problem with people quibbling over the nature of her love. You can argue that she didn't love him romantically or as much as she did Angel or whatever (I would disagree with the first one and re: the second, I would remind you that, as the_royal_anna says, we don't love in amounts. We love in ways). That's legit. But to say, flat-out, that she didn't love him even though she says she did takes agency away from Buffy in a way that I am entirely uncomfortable with and that DRIVES ME CRAZY, OKAY. If she had said she loved Riley (she didn't, did she?), I would be pissed at people saying she didn't love him, either. Uuuugh why does this annoy me so much?

Comments

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Reason for the post.

[miss-mishi.livejournal.com]

Well that's just textually inaccurate.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Exactly. :D

[eleusis-walks.livejournal.com]

Yeah that person is just a doof with a clear shipper agenda.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Which is exactly why I just rolled my eyes and came back here instead of engaging.

Charisma Carpenter makes the very greatest bitch plz faces in the world.

[eleusis-walks.livejournal.com]

It's a gift she has.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

I gather this person is a Bangel?

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I don't know this person, but I'm thinking that's a fair assumption.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

I was just basing it on the vehemence of their saying that she only loved Angel. I've never quite gotten the Bangel-shipper concept of a zero-sum emotion. It's entirely possible to love more than one person romantically over the course of one's life. It just is.

[simonf.livejournal.com]

I can say she's neither a Bangel or a Spuffy and I know that because she's my wife.

[shipperx.livejournal.com]

So what is behind her vehemently singular view that Buffy could never love anyone but Angel? That kind of singularity is usually the provenance of Bangel shippers. Most others allow some leeway --at least in a theoretical sense-- that there is room in her heart/future for someone, whoever that might be and that to do otherwise is perhaps unhealthy for Buffy.

[boot-the-grime.livejournal.com]

I've lost the will to argue or comment. Now I just answer such posts with *headdesk* and a WTF icon.

BTW, there's even a poll about it on buffyforums.
http://www.buffyforums.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17028 Apparently 30% of people think that she didn't mean it.