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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2010-10-05 09:14 am

Hey, y'all!

Get your Xander!hate on! [livejournal.com profile] eleusis_walks is doing his 30 Days of BtVS, and even though there are many, many topics I strongly disagree with him on, he is always thoughtful and awesome and interesting. And the things I do agree with him on? I agree violently.

Like our mutual hate for the ultimate Nice Guy Xander Harris. He basically lists every single hateful thing that Xander ever says/does and I am glorying in my hate. He also has a love-post devoted to Anya, which I haven't gotten to read yet, but I know is wonderful because anything involving Anya is wonderful. And [livejournal.com profile] eleusis_walks loves Dawn and Cordy and Jenny and basically a ton of awesome ladies, so I forgive him for not loving my boy and my girl enough. ;D

So join the hate fest! Or if you like Xander...well, I would like to hear why. Because it is beyond my understanding.
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[identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com 2010-10-05 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate the idea that Xander might be right about Buffy being such a weak, emotional woman that she couldn't handle the truth and would have lost to Angel if she actually had all the relevant information.

Joss himself was ambiguous about it.

http://www.atpobtvs.com/24.html


"The Xander betrayal issue... hasn't come up with us, and here's why. Xander made a decision. Like a general going into battle, he had to keep Buffy's fighting spirit strong and he felt telling her the truth would blunt it. And Angel needed to be stopped. It was a tough decision, and an unpopular one, but I'm not sure it wasn't the right one. I'm on the fence, and that's what makes it FUN! So there." (joss, Oct 20 21:42 1998).


The thing with Joss is that he writes such complex, morally ambiguous situations that practically any POV can be justified. And he always sits on a fence and lets fans decide for themselves. He's right about the capslocks FUN, until fandom wars start. :)

Anyways, even the hate threads are the tribute to the Joss' genius. People are so passionate about the show that has ended more than seven years ago. Come to think of it, it's mind-blowing.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-10-05 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
But Joss makes a lot of decisions that piss me off, and the idea that Buffy can't handle that, that a man needs to protect a woman from her own feelings...that's not something I can stomach.

Anyways, even the hate threads are the tribute to the Joss' genius. People are so passionate about the show that has ended more than seven years ago. Come to think of it, it's mind-blowing.

This is very, very true and awesome! It's always good to be reminded, you know?