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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2010-10-05 09:14 am

Hey, y'all!

Get your Xander!hate on! [livejournal.com profile] eleusis_walks is doing his 30 Days of BtVS, and even though there are many, many topics I strongly disagree with him on, he is always thoughtful and awesome and interesting. And the things I do agree with him on? I agree violently.

Like our mutual hate for the ultimate Nice Guy Xander Harris. He basically lists every single hateful thing that Xander ever says/does and I am glorying in my hate. He also has a love-post devoted to Anya, which I haven't gotten to read yet, but I know is wonderful because anything involving Anya is wonderful. And [livejournal.com profile] eleusis_walks loves Dawn and Cordy and Jenny and basically a ton of awesome ladies, so I forgive him for not loving my boy and my girl enough. ;D

So join the hate fest! Or if you like Xander...well, I would like to hear why. Because it is beyond my understanding.
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[identity profile] redsilverchains.livejournal.com 2010-10-05 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I’ve been trying to write a multifandom thing centering on Deadpan Snarker boys : Sokka from A:tla, Marco from Animorphs, Ron Weasley, and Xander. And I am having a hard time fitting in Xander because every single one of the other boys outshines him like, a lot. Also, while my love for all the other three magnifies as their stories go on, I zig and zag over Xander. I actually feel pretty much the same about Xander and Willow: I started out loving them but it waned over the seasons.

But…I still like him. Like [livejournal.com profile] dollsome, my Xander (and Willow) love began when I was younger and I love so many of his quippy moments. I never really hated them. Because they were still Xander and Willow even though they really, really angered me sometimes.

Mmmm…maybe a big part of what kept me liking them was Buffy always loving them? :p From the start, I saw them through Buffy-colored glasses.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-10-05 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
This is great! You know how much I love Ron, and though I've just started watching A:tLA, I have ~thoughs on Sokka. He reminds me a whole lot of Xander, except that I don't hate him because he grew more in ONE EPISODE (the one where the kick-ass girl teaches him to fight and he gets all dressed up in the makeup with the fan?) than Xander does in SEVEN SEASONS. I think he's going to continue to become awesome, and so I can like him.

I started out loving them but it waned over the seasons.

I can see this.

Mmmm…maybe a big part of what kept me liking them was Buffy always loving them? :p From the start, I saw them through Buffy-colored glasses.

I can definitely see this. I acquired those glasses later, so I understand that she loves them, but I wish she wouldn't let them treat her the way she does. *loves on Buffy*
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[identity profile] redsilverchains.livejournal.com 2010-10-05 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I think he's going to continue to become awesome, and so I can like him.
HE IS. HE ISSS. *excited for you to see just how much* I think that episode started my Sokka-love. Plus, “I am a warrior. I’m also a girl”? Looove.

I understand that she loves them, but I wish she wouldn't let them treat her the way she does.
She is SO FORGIVING. In her place, I don’t think I would be.

[identity profile] laeria.livejournal.com 2010-10-05 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooooh, your fic sounds awesome, because I love multifandom mash-ups and also snarker boys.

I initially had problem understanding how I can hate Xander and also wildly love Ron (Ron may well be my favourite HP character). I mean, their role is similar (layabout snarky loyal prime sidekick) but the effect they have on me is wildly different. What's the point that divides them? Xander's Buffycrush? Gender dynamics? The fact that we never saw Ron grow older? (I, too, didn't precisely dislike Xander until later seasons.)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-10-05 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
This is such a great point. Why my Ron love? Why my Xander hate? I do not know. Maybe it all comes down to the British accent.

[identity profile] laeria.livejournal.com 2010-10-05 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
indeed, why your Hermione love and Willow hate? Again, tons of superficial similarities. But my love for them is wildly different - Hermione is someone I'd like to be friends with, while Willow's someone I'd keep in a cage and poke with a stick excitedly.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-10-05 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Hahaha! Exactly!
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[identity profile] redsilverchains.livejournal.com 2010-10-06 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never tried writing more than two fandoms in one fic before, so I hope I can pull it off! And yeah, I have so much love for deadpan snarkers.

The fact that we never saw Ron grow older?
Or maybe it's how much Ron grew up from age 11-17. Or, like Lauren said, the British-ness of his humor!