lirazel | GREETINGS, CHILDREN

I loved your fic!

Does Veronica/Logan count as a doomed ship? 'Cause the way the series ended, it felt a bit like they were out of reach...

Yay thank you!

I...am not really sure. But Elyssa has a place to ask about specific ships--it's the second comment thread down on the post. I'm sure she wouldn't mind answering that one.

So if LoVe doesn't count, I figured I'd play I'd pick a ship that's obviously doomed because hello, dead! So I just put up a Wes/Faith prompt. I wouldn've done Wes/Lilah but I think that's been covered. :D

Yeah, canon does hint at the possibilities of a Wes/Faith pairing; sometimes I forget about that. But I think they could be interesting in a similar way to Wes/Lilah.

I support Wes/Faith prompts entirely.

~~secretly this is a meme about my feelings.~~

YESSSS WES/FAITH. GUH. I LOVE YOU FOR IT.

I love you but STOP GIVING ME AWESOME EXCUSES NOT TO WORK ON MY PAPER! MY BRAIN IS ALREADY EXPLODING AT THE SAM/AINSLEYNESS GOING ON. and i wish i paid more attention to jackie/hyde whenever i watched that 70's show on syndication if it totally makes you go fannish.

*using requisite LoVe icon like the cool kids*

I'M SORRY IT'S NOT MY FAULT I WAS TEMPTED!

Jackie/Hyde makes me go ridiculously fannish. I to this day don't understand why they took over my heart like this when it's just a silly sitcom! But they did! I will never not love them!

WOOT! LoVe!

So, speaking of That 70's Show, last night I had a dream involving that show and you. (I know. Weird, right? I barely even watched the show and I only know you through the internet, so why? Anyway.)

So basically, I was at my aunt's house for some reunion or something and everyone from the show was there (the characters, not the actors) and we were all hanging out in the basement (of course) and I was talking to Donna about something to do with Eric and then Donna see something over my shoulder and rolls her eyes, and when I turn and look Jackie and Hyde are like, making out in a corner, and then I seriously had the thought about how you would be happy about that, and then that was it. My entire dream.

And I've probably only watched ten episodes of that entire show. I don't even know what the story line is with Jackie and Hyde. I mostly remember her being with Kelso. So this was a really weird dream for me.

HAHAHA! I will never stop laughing at this! That's so totally fantastic!

And hey--your icon reminds me that last night I dreamed I was at SMG's house and it was crazy cluttered and old and her baby was there...and I don't remember the other things that happened but it was loooong.

I have weird dreams, too!

I totally pompted Angel/Cordy, cause I don't think Spike/Tara counts :p

...unless totally non-existent ships count.

hahaha HI THERE but no seriously i totally support spike/tara fics. again, as long as it's nothing ENTIRELY absurd, idgaf. that entirely absurd thing was mostly pointed at the harry potter fandom which - i'm watching you bitches. i know how you work.

lulz. Howdy! I will so totally prompt Spike/Tara then. :p

Hey, there can never be too many Angel/Cordy prompts!

but actually. that's all i'm doing rn.

i will never get over this ship. i am so upset it took me until six years after the show was over to ship them, because now i've missed all of fandom and i just have to play with the tiny remnants that are left. it's not like the btvs fandom - that business never dies. ats is tiny and ignored and MY BABYYYYY and i just wish there were more folks around to me to grab by the hand and steer toward this ship. i am really quite good at ship conversion. if there is one thing i learned from the twilight fandom, it was that.

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I always get to fandoms too late. Thank God BtVS isn't dead or I don't know what I'd do. But I am totally that way about The West Wing. I would seriously be SO IN to that fandom if it were still around and be forcing people to write me Sam/Ainsley fic liek whoa. So I share your sadness.

Dude! Start it up again! There have to be enough people around who love it. I doubt I'd write ~~any more~~ TWW fanfic, but I'd totally squee about it and quote like a mad thing.

I have no idea how to go about reviving a fandom! But it would be awesomely fun.

I didn't know that you wrote TWW fic! Which characters did you write?

Hehhhhhhhh. I wrote ensemble fic, mostly, ~~with a total self-insert which is why I never posted it~~ with some Sam/Donna ~~and I totally ship Josh/me~~. It was a lot of between the lines type stuff, post-ep or missing scenes, up through mid-season 5, at which point Donna ran off with Sam and it became wildly AU, lol.

Ha! It sounds like you had a lot of fun with it! I have similar self-inserts in my head, which I never end up writing down, but I think it's part of loving a fandom a whole whole lot.

I think it's also part of "OMG I want to work in the White House someday." I fanficced myself into my chosen career, since that was when I was deciding to go into politics. :)

And you really couldn't find better people to work with!

That's so cute!

And yeah--watching the show makes me kind of depressed because I just don't believe that most people who go into politics are as good of people as that cast was. Not that there aren't a lot of good people who do, it's just that most of them don't make it as far because corruption gets you further.

Haha, yeah, I vacillate wildly between inspiration and depression watching this show. I have met some people who are as dedicated and well-intentioned as these characters, but I've met plenty of people who are... not.

Thanks to [info]anythingbutgrey for turning her misfortune into a fic-a-thon!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE YOU.

i love that my doomed shipper status is at this point an INSIDE JOKE WITH MY FRIENDS LIST.

what is my life.

also i am tired. i have had to explain my exclusion of spuffy and bangel from this meme like eighty times. i just don't think either of them are doomed. is this an inaccurate interpretation? am i causing too much trouble?

I JUST DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOOMED AT ALL. hrmph.

It's the GREATEST JOKE EVER! Because it's the only joke that turned into people writing fic!

Ugh. I am sorry. I agree with you: neither one of them is doomed. You are not causing too much trouble. STICK TO YOUR GUNS!

hahahahahaha YES.

i'm just saying. bangel gets peddled as doomed from the start but i just think that's utter bullshit. and spuffy shippers seem to have no qualms about the not-doomed status of their ship. so that's that.

also if i see one more reblog of angel in end of days i'm going to kill myself. i can only re-read my fix it fic so many times.

/unrelatedrant

Yeah, the whole "doomed" thing is STUPID. And Spuffy is definitely not doomed.

UGH. I hate that scene. And not just as a Spuffy fan, but as a fan of Angel being in character. UGH.

the one thing that is purportedly keeping b/a apart is the curse ~~and the fact that they are strangers to each other but obviously no one moves on in the buffyverse not ever~~. aka the one thing not a single c/a shipper has ever given thought to. ever. because it has been CANONICALLY ESTABLISHED that magic can keep things from being transferred, like cordy's visions, and, therefore, angel's soul. transferred to the ether. so, no. that's done.

i can't. i can't even. it's like everything i hate in one place. angel being ooc, ats canon being ignored, b/a subsuming angel's storylines, b/a in general when it DOES NOT FIT, peddling to the fans at the cost of story, and causing STUPID SHIT THAT I CAN'T GET OUT OF CANON NO MATTER HOW HARD I SCRUB.

i don't understand. i don't understand why that happened, i don't understand why they insist on shitting on ats, i don't understand how anyone thinks that was IC, i don't understand how you can like angel and ship b/a, i don't understand why c/a got so wrecked, and i don't like that is hurts so fucking much all the time.

brb shaking and crying. i can't take this shit. i hate this show.

... that was a rant. BUT YOU UNDERSTAND MY FEELINGS I HAVE TO SHARE THEM.

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I do understand your feelings! Because I hate all of those things, too! Not like you do, obviously, but there is so much fail in that scene. So much fail. For all the reasons you mentioned.

The curse isn't keeping them apart, THE FACT THAT THEY MOVED ON WITH THEIR LIVES AND FELL IN LOVE WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND GREW UP AND APART FOR THE BETTER IS KEEPING THEM APART.

i can't even. i can't. i never used to understand why people hated b/a, even when i stopped shipping it. it just seemed so benign to me, so not worth the energy.

but now i understand so very thoroughly. and i hate that i ship a "competing" ship sometimes because i think it taints the arguments i'm making but COME ON. WHAT SHOW WERE WE WATCHING? DID YOU WATCH HOME? BECAUSE I DID.

i hate this fandom. ultimately, it's not b/a that i hate so much as what b/a chooses to be. and that brings me a lot of really aggravated rage.

xlivvielockex wants me to write b/a meta because i just have so many feelings, but - i have no idea. just so many feelings.

Your hatred fuels my hatred. Seriously. And your love of Angel makes me love him more.

and i hate that i ship a "competing" ship sometimes because i think it taints the arguments i'm making

I KNOW! Seriously, you do not want to get near Whedon fandom because if you criticize something, people just blame it on the fact that you're a shipper. I can't tell you how many times really, really smart and insightful comments have been totally dismissed because people think it's about shipper wars. UM NO. IT'S ABOUT THE SHOW.

I would love to read your meta! If you ever wrote it! Hey! Did you ever read my very silly meta that I wrote in about five minutes about why B/A will never work ever?

i have filed angel under 'bitches i will defend to the fucking death.' because actually. one day i will write super fucking long meta about that man, but i already wrote 3,000 word so i guess that will suffice for the internet for now. favorite.

it's just so absurd. i won't say c/a doesn't factor into it, of course it does, but because angel was in mourning and i know this because i FUCKING WATCHED SEASON FIVE. so in the end we just end up back at angel's characterization and even if i weren't a shipper, there is always connor, who everyone seems to forget about. i can't even. i can't. i will never understand this fandom. weren't even watching.

brb reading -

hahah approved. mostly. i mean, i take issue with your interpretations of angel's character entirely, but i imagine you suspected that much. but major points remain cogent. approved.

CONNOR. CONNOR. CONNOR. Seriously, everyone who forgets about him and how important he is to Angel? I WANT TO CUT THEM.

Re: Angel's characterization: most of the negative things I say about him should be followed with "...when he's around Buffy." Because I seriously think that being around her brings out all the bad sides of him. Everything about him is better when he's not around her. And honestly, I haven't read that in so long that I don't remember what I said! But I do know that my feelings change all the time, so who knows if I even believe in them anymore!

CONNOR. actually. can't even. what kills me the most is that ats' canon is SO TIGHT. even the things i hate about it are well explained or logically fanwanked into submission. and then btvs comes along, or rather angel goes to btvs, and it messes it all up.

oh, well - angel around buffy isn't angel. he disappears around her. this is part of the reason why i find them fascinating, and if end of days hadn't happened, i actually would have little to no qualms with them as a ship because they're too fucked up and and too fascinating for something as simple as hatred.

but end of days did happen. and it was a betrayal of every single fucking thing i care about in this 'verse, and i will take that out on b/a forever. and also joss.

always joss.

AtS does have excellent canon. And the crossovers do just ruin everything.

angel around buffy isn't angel. Agreed.

and it was a betrayal of every single fucking thing i care about in this 'verse, and i will take that out on b/a forever. and also joss.

I approve of this statement.

what kills me is that sanctuary/the yoko factor are PERFECT. SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF IT. sanctuary: angel shuts buffy down; the yoko factor: peace is made, moving on space is created.

AND THEN THEY FUCKING BACKTRACKED ON THAT SHIT.

STEP YOUR PUSSY UP, JOSS.

and that's all i have to say about that.

okay i'm done.

HAHAHA!

But you are right. 100%.

Seriously, you do not want to get near Whedon fandom because if you criticize something, people just blame it on the fact that you're a shipper.

This is why, in public discussions, I will only admit to shipping Dawn/Andrew, Gwen/Gunn, and Willow/Kennedy. (And, apparently, Vi/Pike. What is up with that? *weirds self out*) It makes things fun...

Random Ranting Person: But you only disagree with me BECAUSE YOU'RE A SHIPPER! GRRARGH!
Me: Yes! I am! Gunn totally should have stayed with Gwen! THAT IS WHAT THE WHOLE STORY IS ABOUT!!!!!
Ranting Person: *is confused* Huh?
Me: So, back to what you were saying about Buffy's character...

You are sneaky and smart!

I do love Gunn/Gwen. Lots and lots. *sigh*

I haven't seen the original movie, so I can't weigh in about Vi and Pike, but it makes me lol nonetheless!

*subtly points to latest fic*

*is subtle like that*

Gunn/Gwen is such an awesome pairing. (And so very doomed. I should really ask for it in the ficathon - after all, there's a grand total of ONE EPISODE for my ship...)

They are very doomed! You should definitely ask for it!

*sneaks off to look for fic*

*whispers* One of the standalone novels had me shipping Buffy/Pike. Not valleygirl!Buffy/Pike but SMG!Buffy/Pike. And that was back when I was a major Bangel shipper.

Vi/Pike would be AWESOME, zomg.

IKR??? I only realised that this morning when I was trying to think of a Slayer for Pike to meet. It just fits.

Which novel? *is curious* I'd actually love to find some Buffy/Pike fic, just to see what it's like...

Also - YOU HAVE AN AVATAR ICON!!! YAY!!! *has just finished season 2 and is wildly fangirling the whole thing*

Sins of the Father by Christopher Golden. I seriously went "Nooooooo!" when she went back to Angel after pages and pages of chemistry with Pike. D: Also, I remember thinking that Pike was almost like a good version of Spike (this was pre-redemption arc, natch). And we all know how that turned out...

AVATAR IS SO FANGIRL-ABLE \o/

One of the banners looks almost exactly like my icon. NUFF SAID.

*scurries off to prompt*

HAHAHA!

Did I tell you that I watched the first half of the first season recently? I am looking forward to shipping Zukko/Katara LEIK WOAH!

Yessss. I think I have a doomed ship in every port. Even though I luff my canon ships.

ZOMGYES! So which characters are you loving? I can't wait for the shippy thoughts! ~~Ship Aang/Toph too!~~

I really haven't gotten far enough to love anyone yet? Like, I'm enjoying it because the worldbuilding is fun and it's well-written and not insulting to my intelligence like a lot of kids' shows. But I really haven't seen enough to really love anyone/thing yet. But I will report back when I do.

Oh oh oh! I can't stop posting prompts! To wit:

+ Angel, Faith/Wes, fucked over, fucked up and just plain fucked

+ The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Cameron/John, would you have loved me for a little while?

+ Vampire Diaries, Lexi/Stefan, we were good for each other, too good to ever give it a chance

+ Dexter, Dexter/Rita, cut free, all ties unbound

+ The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Kyle/Sarah, on your feet, soldier

+ Buffy, (Wishverse) vampire!Willow/Angel, oral fixation

+ Buffy, Giles/Jenny, snapshot memories dim with every shot of whiskey

+ True Blood, Bill/Lorena, I wish I'd known you then before your heart turned black

+ Dollhouse, Adelle Dewitt/Laurence Dominic, our lips, my love, never the twain shall meet

+ Firefly, Zoe/Wash, the last kiss

+ True Blood, Russell/Talbot, the honeymoon's over

+ Angel, Angel/Darla, no, we never loved for love paled in comparison

+ Mad Men, Joan/Roger, memoirs, an epic chapter left unrecorded

If people don't fill these prompts, I will have to write them myself!

+ Angel, Angel/Darla, no, we never loved for love paled in comparison

*loves*

GREETINGS, CHILDREN

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