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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2010-06-15 10:23 am
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*rolls eyes*

OMG Y'ALL.

Did you know that we as Spuffy/Spike fans have ~superpowers???? That we can render things meaningless for other people? Also did you know that anyone who doesn't think the earlier seasons of BtVS are "better" is automatically "lacking in perspective" about the show?

Because I wasn't aware of this, but I'm so glad that people have informed and enlightened me! I can now fix my perspective to get it in line with....

Oh. Wait. Who decides these things again? They're opinion-based? You mean that no one is actually wrong if they enjoy a different episode of a TV show than I do? Seriously?

CHAOS WILL NOW ENSUE. HOW WILL THE UNIVERSE BEAR UP UNDER SUCH ANARCHY?

*runs and hides*
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[identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
Oops. I feel bad now--I said in my Whedonesque comment, "The extreme Spuffiness of the poll does make things seem a little skewed." I hope you know that I'm not dissing anyone! I was trying to communicate, "Wow, that list is Spuffier than mine would be!" (Though my list would have Dead Things in the top ten, which is very Spuffy.)

I also hope I counterbalanced this by spending a paragraph talking about how much I love that Gone was on the list, even though I think it's not a good episode, because it's awesome that there are people who love it.

ANYWAY. Any list that has The Wish and Doppelgangland at high places hasn't been taken over by Spuffies. DOWN WITH TEH HATERS!

(Also, I still can't get over how the author of the poll results article complained that "Innocense" wasn't on the list. USE A SPELL-CHECKER. THEY COME WITH WORD PROCESSORS.)

[identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
OH RIGHT. And after finally getting to the point where I'm not annoyed at everything Hellmouthguy says, he goes and once again is a raging jerk:

"I don't know, Changeling, maybe it's just my tone when I post? Because nowhere in my posts did I say that my opinion is objective while everyone else's is subjective. Yes, I do tend not to bother adding "in my opinion" when I post, because it seems redundant, and I admit I can be rather blunt. But I don't begrudge anyone their opinion."

YES IT IS YOUR TONE WHEN YOU POST. ACCUSATIONS OF HIJACKING BY PEOPLE WHO LACK PERSPECTIVE MAY VERY POSSIBLY UPSET PEOPLE.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I know, right?!?!? I've been agreeing with him a lot lately! Thinking he can occasionally be reasonable! And then THIS!

[identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Thinking about it again this morning, the thing is I think he genuinely doesn't get the difference between stating an opinion civilly and throwing around words like "indefensible." The world indefensible doesn't mean, "I don't know what a good defense of this ep as #3 would be." It means, "There exists no good defense." If you say, "That ep sucked" we can all kind of nod along and understand the implicit 'IMHO'. But he's saying, "It is IMPOSSIBLE that that ep is good enough to be on this list," and then doubling back and wondering why people are upset, because it's *just his opinion, right*?

The other thing I just realized about the early-season-is-obviously-better crowd: what exactly is the point? Like, the early!season people are the ones with the power and seemingly a majority. I sometimes (though I am hopefully not too bad about it) get strident when talking about, say, Lost, but that's because I feel that the critical consensus is severely overrating it and so I see my position as underrepresented; there's something much more frustrating about the late!season!lovers!are!wrong!crowd making such a big point about it, because THEY ALREADY HAVE THE APPARENT (though possibly not actual) MAJORITY, WHAT MORE DO THEY WANT?

Ahem.

Usual disclaimer: Note that I love the early seasons too and early season lovers are awesome, and also some late season lovers are jerks. Plus my conspiracy theories about the power dynamics between early- and late-season lovers might not be accurate.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
No, no! No need to feel bad! There's a very big difference between acknowledging that there were a lot of Spike/Spuffy fans voting and saying that that ruins things for others or that there's no way you could like an episode like "Something Blue" unless you're a ~shipper. You're good.

I voted for "Dead Things" in the top ten, too. :D

USE A SPELL-CHECKER. THEY COME WITH WORD PROCESSORS

I actually didn't read the original article, and now I'm so glad I didn't. UGH!

[identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I voted for "Dead Things" in the top ten, too. :D

Sweeeeeet. I didn't actually vote, unless I did and forgot.

I actually didn't read the original article, and now I'm so glad I didn't. UGH!

There's something really funny about the way she was plaintively demanding to see "Innocense," when the actual episode "Innocence" was, like #18. ;)
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