The part of me that's all YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS about Tony/Priya (THEY HAVE A BABY! THEY STILL LOOOOOVE EACH OTHER) is conflict with the part of me that's all NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO about Topher (MY BAAAABY!).
It's the ingrained notion of fairytale love that society holds up as the ultimate ideal that people should strive for. Disheartening. Disheartening is just the right word for it.
I rarely find Angel interesting. But whenever Darla's in the room (like whenever Spike's in the room) I SIT UP AND TAKE NOTICE. She's the only one of his relationships I really cared about.
Hee! I love how I sort of commanded you over there. But I don't think anyone but eowyn_315 read it, and I wanted more solidarity!
I completely agree with your rant. And while reading the comments, it occurred to me that there are still probably a ton of Bangel shippers who honestly believe that Buffy *should*, to this day, love Angel more, and support the idea of them pining for each other all this time. Then I had a rage blackout and had to go drink some water for a while. (A rare occurrence, because I really could care less about what other people think usually, but said idea is so insulting to two characters I care deeply about that I will never not be baffled by it.) /own rant
Then I had a rage blackout and had to go drink some water for a while. (A rare occurrence, because I really could care less about what other people think usually, but said idea is so insulting to two characters I care deeply about that I will never not be baffled by it.) /own rant YEEEEESSSSS. I'm normally pretty live-and-let live re: fandom preferences (at least in "public;" in my own journal, it's a different story), but I totally, totally agree.
Also, I can't understand why the whole "BUFFY LUVS ANGEL 4EVA!!1!" thing is so prevalent everywhere outside of Spike-fandom. Every time you read an article or essay or blog-entry...it's all about how "ANGEL IS HER ONE TRUE LOVE OMG" and I'm all, ""Seriously? Am I missing the part where our hero growing up is a bad thing?
Of course, these are probably the same people who think that Spike's character was completely ruined after the chip and that he was soooo much better when he was evil and being soft is such a baaaaad thing, etc., etc., etc. excuse me while I vomit.
Icon is most excellent. (It's actually 4am here right now, but I was bored with sleeping, so.)
Every time you read an article or essay or blog-entry...it's all about how "ANGEL IS HER ONE TRUE LOVE OMG"
It's got to be the effect of marketing. B/A, truthfully, is probably the most marketable thing about BtVS, and Lord knows they've been milked. (It's interesting to think about, because before venturing into fandom, I always assumed that B/A was the preferred fandom pairing. But now? I really don't think they are any more popular than S/B. And Angel is definitely not more popular than Spike. Then again, I could be completely, completely off.) I have noticed that the later seasons get virtually zero attention in media, and S2-3 are treated as the apex of the show or something. Meh. I say meh.
Wow. I never get bored with sleeping. Me/Sleep is my RL OTP.
I suspect that you might be correct.
I really don't think they are any more popular than S/B. And Angel is definitely not more popular than Spike. Then again, I could be completely, completely off. I think as far as hardcore shipping goes, there might be more S/B, actually. But I think if you asked just the average fan who really has no strong emotions either way, they'd probably say, "Meh. I like Buffy/Angel more." Or maybe that's just on whedonesque? I could be wrong.
I have noticed that the later seasons get virtually zero attention in media, and S2-3 are treated as the apex of the show or something. Meh. I say meh. That makes me really, really angry. I know it shouldn't, but it does. Especially because, other than a few fabulous episodes, I think S3 is boring and the later seasons are far richer and more nuanced.
LOL. I should have been clearer. I got bored with *trying* to sleep. (Insomniac.)
I think as far as hardcore shipping goes, there might be more S/B, actually.
Yeah. I think you're right. (Which makes me stupidly gleeful, I have to admit it.)
But I think if you asked just the average fan who really has no strong emotions either way, they'd probably say, "Meh. I like Buffy/Angel more."
Huh. Obviously, I get that B/A, uh, goes down easier than S/B at certain points (I imagine S6 turned a lot of people off). However, I always thought that the overall S/B dynamic is more appealing in a broader sense. (Or maybe the B/A dynamic is so NOT appealing to me personally that it's clouding my view?) I mean, the snarky, antagonistic ship? Uber popular in general fandom. And S/B go through MANY different stages, so if one hated their dysfunction in S6, for instance, one would probably like the more conventional romance of S7. Whereas B/A, as far as I can see, appeals to one type (the True Love/gothic romance thing). But most significant of all, I feel: the B/A chemistry is subjective and varies depending on your view. As much as people rave about it, I've come across just as many who dispute its existence. (I personally see very little authentic spark or sexual chemistry between them. Unpopular opinion.) S/B on the other hand, it's pretty much universally agreed that they have IT, even from those who hate the union. (Hey, they didn't top that TV Guide Hottest Love Scenes for nothing!) Then again, who knows, I could just be plain wrong. (Though I doubt it.) ;)
the later seasons are far richer and more nuanced
No argument here. Fact is, S2-3 was probably the height of BtVS popularity, which means the later seasons get overlooked. I do feel that that the show is more accessible to the mainstream in the earlier seasons. However, it's not for nothing that the parts of the show that generate the most discussion/debate/analysis are the LATER SEASONS.
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It's the ingrained notion of fairytale love that society holds up as the ultimate ideal that people should strive for. Disheartening.
Disheartening is just the right word for it.
I rarely find Angel interesting. But whenever Darla's in the room (like whenever Spike's in the room) I SIT UP AND TAKE NOTICE. She's the only one of his relationships I really cared about.
Hee! I love how I sort of commanded you over there. But I don't think anyone but
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I completely agree with your rant. And while reading the comments, it occurred to me that there are still probably a ton of Bangel shippers who honestly believe that Buffy *should*, to this day, love Angel more, and support the idea of them pining for each other all this time. Then I had a rage blackout and had to go drink some water for a while. (A rare occurrence, because I really could care less about what other people think usually, but said idea is so insulting to two characters I care deeply about that I will never not be baffled by it.) /own rant
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Then I had a rage blackout and had to go drink some water for a while. (A rare occurrence, because I really could care less about what other people think usually, but said idea is so insulting to two characters I care deeply about that I will never not be baffled by it.) /own rant
YEEEEESSSSS. I'm normally pretty live-and-let live re: fandom preferences (at least in "public;" in my own journal, it's a different story), but I totally, totally agree.
Also, I can't understand why the whole "BUFFY LUVS ANGEL 4EVA!!1!" thing is so prevalent everywhere outside of Spike-fandom. Every time you read an article or essay or blog-entry...it's all about how "ANGEL IS HER ONE TRUE LOVE OMG" and I'm all, ""Seriously? Am I missing the part where our hero growing up is a bad thing?
Of course, these are probably the same people who think that Spike's character was completely ruined after the chip and that he was soooo much better when he was evil and being soft is such a baaaaad thing, etc., etc., etc. excuse me while I vomit.
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Every time you read an article or essay or blog-entry...it's all about how "ANGEL IS HER ONE TRUE LOVE OMG"
It's got to be the effect of marketing. B/A, truthfully, is probably the most marketable thing about BtVS, and Lord knows they've been milked. (It's interesting to think about, because before venturing into fandom, I always assumed that B/A was the preferred fandom pairing. But now? I really don't think they are any more popular than S/B. And Angel is definitely not more popular than Spike. Then again, I could be completely, completely off.) I have noticed that the later seasons get virtually zero attention in media, and S2-3 are treated as the apex of the show or something. Meh. I say meh.
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I suspect that you might be correct.
I really don't think they are any more popular than S/B. And Angel is definitely not more popular than Spike. Then again, I could be completely, completely off. I think as far as hardcore shipping goes, there might be more S/B, actually. But I think if you asked just the average fan who really has no strong emotions either way, they'd probably say, "Meh. I like Buffy/Angel more." Or maybe that's just on whedonesque? I could be wrong.
I have noticed that the later seasons get virtually zero attention in media, and S2-3 are treated as the apex of the show or something. Meh. I say meh.
That makes me really, really angry. I know it shouldn't, but it does. Especially because, other than a few fabulous episodes, I think S3 is boring and the later seasons are far richer and more nuanced.
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LOL. I should have been clearer. I got bored with *trying* to sleep. (Insomniac.)
I think as far as hardcore shipping goes, there might be more S/B, actually.
Yeah. I think you're right. (Which makes me stupidly gleeful, I have to admit it.)
But I think if you asked just the average fan who really has no strong emotions either way, they'd probably say, "Meh. I like Buffy/Angel more."
Huh. Obviously, I get that B/A, uh, goes down easier than S/B at certain points (I imagine S6 turned a lot of people off). However, I always thought that the overall S/B dynamic is more appealing in a broader sense. (Or maybe the B/A dynamic is so NOT appealing to me personally that it's clouding my view?) I mean, the snarky, antagonistic ship? Uber popular in general fandom. And S/B go through MANY different stages, so if one hated their dysfunction in S6, for instance, one would probably like the more conventional romance of S7. Whereas B/A, as far as I can see, appeals to one type (the True Love/gothic romance thing).
But most significant of all, I feel: the B/A chemistry is subjective and varies depending on your view. As much as people rave about it, I've come across just as many who dispute its existence. (I personally see very little authentic spark or sexual chemistry between them. Unpopular opinion.) S/B on the other hand, it's pretty much universally agreed that they have IT, even from those who hate the union. (Hey, they didn't top that TV Guide Hottest Love Scenes for nothing!) Then again, who knows, I could just be plain wrong. (Though I doubt it.) ;)
the later seasons are far richer and more nuanced
No argument here. Fact is, S2-3 was probably the height of BtVS popularity, which means the later seasons get overlooked. I do feel that that the show is more accessible to the mainstream in the earlier seasons. However, it's not for nothing that the parts of the show that generate the most discussion/debate/analysis are the LATER SEASONS.