Two things you might enjoy if you're of the Whedon-ly inclined...

[lirazel]

1. I'm having a very interesting discussion here regarding Angel and his morality. And I think I'm ticking someone off. I'd love y'all's thought on whether or not I'm being insensitive and/or wanky--it's so hard to gauge tone on the internets! I'm Lirazel, obvs. Scroll down a bit until people start talking about whether Angel is redeemable. Also: spoilers for Twilightgate!

2. redsilverchains and I have been having a blast making up fake plotlines for the hypothetical 7 seasons of Firefly right here. I feel like I want to turn this into a meme somehow and get a bunch of people in on it, but I'm not sure how to organize it. Thoughts?

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[redsilverchains.livejournal.com]

#1 *thumbs-up* Hey, you sparked up some likewise intelligent posts and got a few rethinks on the character. Very cool.

I did (and still do) like Buffy/Angel but only in a nostalgic, tragic, it-was-my-first-grownup-ship way. I like them as a *doomed* ship. Unlike Buffy/Spike when there came a point that I was watching the show FOR it. And Spike is ALWAYS the man I imagine her reuniting with after S7. Always. (/ship ramble)

Just curious, assuming the comics don’t exist, how do you see Angel veering towards the redeemable side, post NFA?

#2 *Veronica Mars voice and finger-steepling* Eeeeeeeexcellent!

Maybe it could be in ‘ficathon’ format, only the ‘prompts’ would be the snippets from the ‘episodes’: a title, a cool quote, a shippy/touching/funny moment.

Like, someone comments with “I wept buckets in ‘Twilight’s Last Gleaming’” and someone replies with “Oh my gosh, yes when Mal and Zoe raised that tattered Browncoat flag!” and then someone else with “And when the camera cut to Wash looking on from the bridge and carrying baby Noah!”

Or someone starts with a cracky ‘prompt’ like, “Hey, remember when Simon lost a(nother) bet to Jayne and had to wear that floppy-ears hat when he was Kaylee’s date to the Mechanics' Convention?” and then someone replies with “Yeah, and then that goofy guy (gawd, I still can’t believe that was Enver Gjokaj!) wanted to buy it from Simon, who was only too (fiendishly) happy to get rid of it! And Jayne spent the rest of the episode chasing Enver around and he turned out to be a fanboy who had his own live band version of ‘The Man They Call Jayne’…”

Or for something simpler, it could be just a good old meme like: “List your top five favorite moments from season 2-6 of Firefly”, “Top ten lines of River that foreshadowed the season 5 finale”, “Five moments of Mal/Inara that broke my shipper heart…and five that put it back together”. And interested fans on your flist play along and then post it and make up their own.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I appreciate the encouragment! I always second-guess my tone on things like this.

I absolutely loved what they did with the relationship in S2: it made for great plot and emotion. But in S1 Angel drives me crazy, and I have zero interest in doomed love, so S3 was torture. TORTURE. But I totally get why it would appeal to you in the nostalgic sense. Even though I'm ridiculously glad that Spike is the one you imagine her with later. Me, too! ALWAYS.

And I know exactly what you mean about watching the show for Spike/Buffy.

Huh. About Angel...I guess I think that post-NFA, he had two options. The first is to continue what he was doing: making decisions for the greater good and continuing to take morally questionable actions. If he did that, I would hope that Spike (and Gunn if he survived, poor guy!) would part ways with him, because I don't want my boys corrupted by stupid Angel! *pout* I can definitely see him taking that route.

The second would be to realize that he isn't above everyone else and to either go back to saving individuals as he originally did with Angel Investigations (which I honestly can't see him doing for a while considering that it would hurt to much to be reminded of all the people he's lost), perhaps traveling around to do it, or just trying to live a very quiet life, maybe doing something actually constructive for a change (but I do think that's outside his personality: he needs to always be SAVING PEOPLE and feel like he's special while doing it). I think in that case, he could definitely attain redemption, and when the final battle did come around, he'd be on the right side.

ENVER!

Sorry. I'm mildly obsessed.

Dude! Did you read that Sean Maher tried out for the part of Victor on DH? I mean, I think Sean's very talented (and would have made quite a good doll), but I am sooooo glad that Joss hired Enver.

I like your ideas! I think I might have to implement one shortly....

You are very cool. Have I mentioned that?

[redsilverchains.livejournal.com]

“OMG a pairing that Did It onscreen and it isn’t gross!” That was my awkward adolescent self’s reaction to S2 Buffy/Angel.

And I so get you about S3 B/A! The only reason I liked it was the Buffy novels (which were my introduction to the series) that made their together-but-not-togetherness a lot more sympathetic than I ever saw onscreen

Oh, I like the idea of Angel getting away for a while, just coming to terms with everything and everyone he lost. After that, who knows? It’s could wise him up a lot. There’s still Connor out there too (I think daddy!Angel is so much better on David than wangsty!Angel).

The first option resembles what he did as Twilight, though, don’t you think?
Though from what I’ve read, Twilight goes way, way over morally questionable (killing Slayers??).


He did? Well I love Simon like whoa, but you’re right…ENVER!

I bet they would’ve found some way to write Sean in as a Doll/client/programmer and he’d have been great. Sigh…

Makes me blush when you do! Right back at you, ma’am.