lirazel | Opinions, please

1. *shakes pom-poms* Do it! DO IT!!!

2. Hmmmm... *tries to look like she knows what that is*

3. *gives you cookies*

1. Thank you for the cheerleading! I might!

2. It's a British teen show, pretty much one of the best teen dramas ever. After the first two seasons, the cast graduated and moved on, and in S3, they were replaced by a new, younger cast. My love of the original cast has kept me from watching the new season so far, but I'm wavering.

3. Cookies! *runs off to find some milk*

I want to write William fic. Angst, poetry-riddled William fic. *huggles the poor boy*

Ooh. If you do this, I will totally bow down and worship you. There are so few good William fics out there.

Hee! Well, then I must do it!

I've really been feeling the William/vulnerable!Spike love recently, and for some reason, the Romantics keep popping in my head (this might have something to do with the fact that Bright Star is being released on DVD shortly. If you haven't seen it, you should check it out: I feel like anyone who loves William will love it) in William-like ways. Plus, I've written a Buffy-and-Romantics fic, and a Drusilla-before-she-was-sired fic, so I feel like the two need to meet in a William-and-Romantics fic. We'll see!

Let there be William fic!

Pretty please :)

Perhaps there will be! I'm kind of excited at the idea!

FAIL? YOU? QUIET, I SAY!

Silly Lauren. You give and you give and you give and do they ever say thank you? Nah. Oh, wait...

But anyways, I support you in all your writing endeavors! And I remember you telling me about Skins and a character named Spike which thus proves it's awesome!

You're so good for my ego! And with the perfect icon, as always!

Ha! *giggles a lot*

I appreciate all your support and have really grown to count on it. It gives me the warm fuzzies.

Actually, the character Spike is from Press Gang, which is another British teen show. Skins is...way rougher and grittier and CRAY-ZEE. BUt both of them are love!

ZOMG! Well clearly Skins is at fault for not naming a character Spike also! Because there should be Spikes everywhere!

'Tis true!

Hee! re: your icon!

1. Work in the word 'effulgent' and I AM SO THERE. I mean, I am there anyway, because it's you. But. EFFULGENT.

2. I have only seen bits and pieces of it so I don't know it too well yet, but thus far, my flist seems to be in the a) 'it's even better than generation one' camp, or b) 'it's not quite as good as generation one but still crazyexcellent times' camp. SO. Ms. Lauren's assessment?

3. Oh! Oh! THIS ONE, TOO, I AM NO GOOD AT.

I have an embarrassing secret to reveal: every time I go to the library and have to wait around for someone, I open the OED to "effulgent."

That would make the most adorable fandom_secret EVER!

I'm doing this the next time I go to the library!

1. HA! I will try! Just for you!

2. I don't think there's any way that I'll like it more than the original cast. Because Tony! And Cassie! And Anward and Sid and Michelle and Chris and Jal and Maxxie! I love every single one of them. I never love every member of a cast!

However, I'm anxious for it to be good, though I'll probably have to view it as a completely different show. But I will be sure to let you know my opinion, of course!

3. It sucks, doesn't it?

I think I'm the odd one out on my flist for this, but I've never even had the slightest interest in William!fic. He just doesn't hold my attention.

I'm not overly interested in William on his own. What I'm interested in is the tension and the similarities between William and Spike, and all the connections that make his transformation from one to the other possible. I love to see the bits of Spike in William and the bits of William in Spike. So any story I write about him would have to explore that.

However! I totally understand! Xander's the same way for me, and that is anathema to some. Whatever floats your boat!

1) DO IT DO IT DO IT NOW

2) Neutral.

3) Not at all! <3

1. I have already started writing!

2. Neutral you know nothing about Skins or neutral you do but you don't care? *is interested*

3. It so feels that way! I had over 200 messages in my inbox before I caught up yesterday. About 50 of those I'd already replied to and just hadn't checked off as read yet, but THE REST? *hangs head*

-Do! ...I miiiight imitate you if you do,
I’ll just think of it as another TV series apart from mah beloved original cast <3

-I want to write William fic. Angst, poetry-riddled William fic. *huggles the poor boy*
Then what are you waiting forrrrr? :D Coincidentally, I just rewatched Fool for Love. He’s such a woobie!
And Dru gets awesome-scary points for making ‘effulgent’ sound terrifying.

-Noooo. Your replies are always love, not fail :D

I’ll just think of it as another TV series apart from mah beloved original cast <3 Exactly! That's my plan as well!

He is such a woobie! I want to huggle him forever! And I need to rewatch! And there's nothing about Dru that isn't awesome-scary! *loves her*

Aw! You're sweet! But I was soooo behind!

I am considering watching Season 3 of Skins.

I find it extremely underwhelming. There are only really a couple of characters I really care about, whereas with the 1st generation? LOVE. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. /weep

That is EXACTLY how I am with the generation 1! Seriously, I never love every member of a cast. Ever. And I am mad about every. single. one!

Well, my expectations aren't high, so if I check it out, I doubt I'll be crushed. I did always find Effy pretty interesting, if exactly the kind of person I'd hate to know in real life, so there's always that.

And that's an awesome icon.

Seriously, I never love every member of a cast

Ditto. Gen 1 will always have a special place in my heart. /sap

Effy is one of the characters I was referring to, though I think I find her more relatable than you ;) But overall, gen 2, not much love.

And that's an awesome icon.

Isn't it? OTP-licious ;D

I have my suspicions that I would change my mind about Effy if I saw things a little bit more from her perspective. She just seemed more wild than I would be comfortable with in real life, though I loved how little she talked in S1--it made for a great character.

Are they your OTP? Too cute! I love them, weirdly enough, though I never thought I would. I loved Chris/Jal, too, and if Sid/Cassie had ever had a chance to actually happen onscreen, I think I would have absolutely loved them, too.

So. Much. Love.

I find Effy quite sympathetic, despite her generally icy demeanour. The wildness you speak of, also makes me uncomfortable sometimes, but it makes sense considering Effy's nihilistic attitude towards life.

Are they your OTP?

Totally. Yeah, judging from the pilot, I wouldn't have thought so, but they gave a seemingly very superficial relationship a lot of meaning.
I totally loved Chris/Jal and Sid/Cassie too. Another first for a show - I actually like all the main ships!

if Sid/Cassie had ever had a chance to actually happen onscreen

Well, technically they did happen, albeit in a very tumultuous fashion. I love the way they ended the series ambiguously, with such hope that Sid would find Cassie.

That's probably why I do think she's a cool character but wouldn't want to know her: that level of nihilism always makes me uncomfortable, too.

Yeah, judging from the pilot, I wouldn't have thought so, but they gave a seemingly very superficial relationship a lot of meaning. Exactly how I feel.

Well, technically they did happen, albeit in a very tumultuous fashion. I liked the ending a lot, too: it worked for me. But I really felt like I never got a chance to see them together. By the time they finally get their feelings figured out the first time, it's the end of the first season. Then Cassie's gone the bulk of the S2, then Sid and Michelle happens (EEEK!), and then Cassie takes off. I never got to see them be couple-y, you know? It made me sad. I like to see how couples work together, which is probably why I hate rom coms since they tend to end right when the people admit to their feelings. But hey! YMMV!

I never got to see them be couple-y, you know?

Yeah, there did tend to be more angst than happy with those two, save that time they made out in front of the class in Jal's episode (?) in season 2, just after they'd gotten back together.

then Sid and Michelle happens (EEEK!)

HAH. Yeah, pretty much.

I hate rom coms since they tend to end right when the people admit to their feelings.

I hate rom coms too, though that's usually because they often suck ;}

I like to see how couples work together

Actual canon couples (as in, after they've gotten together) usually fail to hold my interest, sadly. Watching Skins makes me wish that canon pairings elsewhere were executed as well as, say, Tony/Michelle.

I hate rom coms too, though that's usually because they often suck ;}
That is very, very true. Though they don't have to suck, as the '30s and '40s can show you.

Actual canon couples (as in, after they've gotten together) usually fail to hold my interest, sadly. Watching Skins makes me wish that canon pairings elsewhere were executed as well as, say, Tony/Michelle.

I have lots of thoughts! Brace yourself!

Nothing on earth makes me happier than Coach and Mrs. Coach on Friday Night Lights or Wash and Zoe or Marshall and Lilly on HIMYM. Probably because I grew up surrounded by incredibly strong marriages, I'm endlessly fascinated by the little dramas of established relationships: there's a safety that comes in knowing that (my parents or) Wash and Zoe are never going to cheat on each other; it frees you up to explore all the other dynamics of a relationship. I absolutely love that.

But what I mean about seeing people together is just watching them relate to each other and figuring out how they would be when the question of romance isn't hovering over them constantly.

Take Buffy and Spike (heh!). There's not even a question that they'll be together in S5: he may want it, but she doesn't, and they know where they stand. In S6, they're only together physically; in S7, they have an absolutely gorgeous relationship, but neither one of them is willing to really approach it from a romantic angle.

But in all those times, they're constantly interacting, and I see how they are together, so it's very easy for me to write something like "Life in the Present Tense" or III because I know how they'll interact when they are together, even though I never see an actual relationship.

Same with, say, Kara and Lee (even though I'm not that invested in that relationship) or Adama and Roslin or someone like that. Sure, there was always tension there, but I also saw them interact on levels that weren't dominated by sex/romance. Same with John and Aeryn on Farscape, which I'm watching right now. I saw them be friends, so I can know how they might have been together. I like that.

With Cassie and Sid, however, I never felt like I saw the two of them interact enough to figure out how they would work together, not really.

I do think it takes more talent to sell an established relationship, but I think it's just cheap to say that they aren't as interesting as the question, just like I think it's cheap (and wrong) to say that bad guys are more interesting than good guys.

Too rambly?

I enjoy the rambles.

I actually agree with everything you say. It's not that I don't find canon couples interesting, it's just that I usually find the execution uninteresting. Especially if it's a pairing that has had lots of build-up, but once the two characters are together, it's like the writers don't know what to do with them anymore. That was more what I was referring to.

Nothing on earth makes me happier than Coach and Mrs. Coach on Friday Night Lights or Wash and Zoe or Marshall and Lilly on HIMYM.

As it turns out, I really like Wash & Zoe too. Marshall and Lily are a little bit too cute for me, in the same way that I found Willow and Tara cutesy to the extreme. And I found W/T boring once they became a couple too. I think I just don't have much patience with relationships that are purely romantic. With other pairings you name, e.g. Chris/Jal, Buffy/Spike, Kara/Lee - I am invested in them because of this: I also saw them interact on levels that weren't dominated by sex/romance. So, say, if the latter two had ever gotten their acts together, I would definitely have been interested, because their dynamics are already... well, dynamic.

With Cassie and Sid, however, I never felt like I saw the two of them interact enough to figure out how they would work together

I get ya. Yeah, I imagine they'd have a very passionate relationship, full of screaming arguments followed by lots of great sex ;) But also plenty of moments of comfort and peace with each other. See, I'd probably have found that interesting.

Probably because I grew up surrounded by incredibly strong marriages, I'm endlessly fascinated by the little dramas of established relationships

This is probably where we differ, because I just didn't. I've also never been in a serious relationship myself, so I guess ultimately I just don't identify with them in fiction. OTOH, volatile friendships such as S/B and K/L, I can relate with ;)

OT, but FNL and Farscape are shows I mean to start watching eventually. I'll probably have thinky thoughts then.

/rambling

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