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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2009-07-07 11:55 pm
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Further proof that I am influenced by peer pressure if only when it comes to memes...

Everybody else is doing it.  And I have lots of pretty icons!  Go here and pick one out.  Give me the keyword.  I'll ramble about it for a bit.  Hopefully it'll be interesting.  Rinse, lather, repeat.  (I'm serious about the repeating.  Pick more than one.)



[identity profile] visualthinker11.livejournal.com 2009-07-08 12:15 pm (UTC)(link)
would it be really self-centric to choose one of the icons i've made? i'd just be super-interested to see where you go with it!

so if it's not too self involved, i believe you have your options of either "[btvs] dying for a good slay" or "[dw] this is the story of how i die"

...on the otherhand i think "[dh] we'll look for each other" sounds like a great prompt. so i guess you have three choies now? ; )

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2009-07-08 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, I will totally do them all! And not at all self-centric!

I can never have enough Buffy icons. She's pretty. She's heroic. She's my favorite television character ever. I'm always on the lookout for new ones (as you could probably tell from my request caps!).

I also really like cool cropping and colors. Check! I really like the kind of hazy indistinct background that takes up most of the icon and then her just perched in the corner.

That one is from "Something Blue," right? At least, that's what I thought it was--the beginning where she's teasing Spike in the bathtub. And it's such a hilarious, lighthearted moment, but this particular cap captures a solemn moment, and that just seems very Buffy to me. She can never be totally lighthearted and happy; there's always another apocalypse around the corner.

Gah! I love her so much!

[identity profile] visualthinker11.livejournal.com 2009-07-08 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
ohmygod you DID do them all. you are AWESOME. <3

you're right about 'something blue.'

also i'm RIGHT there with you in the buffy love. sooo very, very much.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2009-07-08 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
When I was looking for Doctor Who icons after recently watching the show, I mostly looked for ones that centered around the Doctor or the Tardis. I like Rose, but I also like Donna and even Martha, so I wasn't really on the lookout for a Rose icon.

But the cropping on that one! That tongue thing is just so Rose! And I love how you push it up till her mouth is really all you see, but it's still perfectly recognizable! It's brilliant! Also, the warm light is gorgeous, and I like the font you used for her name, just tucked there in the corner. It all spelled Rose to me so clearly.

[identity profile] visualthinker11.livejournal.com 2009-07-08 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
these analyses (analyses? erm.) are so incredible- i love how you explain your thoughts about the icons in-depth; i know i think about my stuff in this kind of detail but the fact that anyone else ever does is really, really awesome.

(and yes, i'm going to reply to each of them, heh.)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2009-07-08 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so glad you're pleased! Honestly, this has gotten me to think more about why I have immediate emotional reactions to these icons. Like, I just look at it and connect and don't often get a chance to really think about why. That's why I like this meme so much!

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2009-07-08 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
As for the last one, I'm still not entirely sold on Dollhouse yet. I'm struggling with what exactly Joss is trying to say about it and also about the fact that you can't really root for any of the characters because they're either entirely messed up and amoral or they have no real personalities.

Except that I do, totally and completely, root for Victor and Sierra. Echo really bores me a lot, but these two are just so wonderful. Enver is an amazing actor. And his affection for Sierra seems so pure that I've begun to ship them. I had bunches of problems with Sierra's arc in "Need" (which was otherwise a really great episode), but the relationship between Victor and Sierra there just works for me.

So I wanted a V/S icon and this one has pretty colors! And interesting cropping! And a cool lack of focus! It's my one Dollhouse icon.

(Actually, that last bit isn't true. I also have a really funny one with Tahmoh that says "Tahmoh says suit up." But that one is so silly that I don't really think it actually applies to the show. It's more a Tahmoh-is-pretty icon.)

[identity profile] visualthinker11.livejournal.com 2009-07-08 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
this icon appeals to me for the same reasons really- victor/sierra was the first ship i really liked on the show, and one that came to me as more or less a complete surprise once they began bringing it up. (there are other dynamics i like, like the relationship between echo and boyd (who reminds me SO much of giles in those moments), and the bits between topher and dr. saunders, but none of them have had quite the same pull for me as victor/sierra).

can i ask what problems you had with 'need'? i'm just really curious to hear your thoughts on that.

(there is nothing wrong with tahmoh-is-pretty icons, as far as i see it. that icon and your caption on it seriously makes me giggle. (...as opposed to making me giggle seriously...))

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2009-07-08 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Basically, I don't like the treatment of Sierra. She's presented as VICTIMVICTIMVICTIM and it's always sexual. She's always passive and victimized, and I find that really problematic. I just feel like yelling at Joss: "We get it already!"

And "Need" was worse because the whole point of the episode was that each character needed to face something about his or herself and do something about their problems. So Echo needed to take care of others. November needed to deal with the death of her daughter. Victor needed to connect with Sierra. I can buy all that.

But Sierra has no moment of power or insight. Victor punches out some guy on her behalf. That isn't her doing something. She needs to be rescued? I don't like that. It makes her too weak.

I really hope that in the future we'll see more of her as a strong person. She's the most doll-like of all the dolls; I want to see a real person behind all that.

Does that make sense?

[identity profile] visualthinker11.livejournal.com 2009-07-08 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
oh, wow, you're right (aka it makes perfect sense). i mean i obviously caught the VICTIMVICTIM in the rape storyline and in needs, but i think i never really connected the two because i was distracted by all the 'active' personalities in between.

come to think of it, is it just me or are the women in dollhouse particuarly weak? caroline has spirit but she's makes herself a victim by rushing in (at least in my opinion). and then if november isn't a pitiful character i don't know who is. maybe this is done to provide a really strong contrast with their 'active' personalities; to show how different the characters can be under imprint...but it still seems very problematic. maybe their treatment of newly-released november will let them present a strong real female and remedy the problem...?

...sorry for the random meta rambling. my turn to ask if it makes any sense!

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2009-07-14 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I think you're absolutely right. The only strong woman on the show is Adelle, and she's so corrupt that of course that strength isn't a good thing. I would have no problem with her being so strong if only there was a good woman who was also strong, but this equates strength with evil too much for m liking.

I'm really hoping he'll do better with it in the next season. Maybe with Saunders/Whiskey?

No! I love meta rambling! Ramble away! And perfect sense, actually!