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THIS IS AN INFINITE SHIPS POST (for nicki!)
I promised Nicki I would make her an Infinite ships post, and I was going to do something brief on tumblr, like a paragraph for each of the major ships, but I am me and completely incapable of being anything but verbose, so this turned into a monster. Who even am I?
So you've got 7 really attractive guys in this band, all of whom are always hanging all over each other, some of them because they're naturally demonstrative, some of them because that's their job, but either way: obviously people are going to ship things. Here's a rough guide to the bigger ships in fandom and also to the smaller things that I personally ship. Yay!
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+ Myungsoo/Sungyeol - We'll start with this ship since you're already having ~feelings about them. Myungsoo and Sungyeol are BROS. They're always shoving each other and talking about how much they hate each other, but everyone acknowledges that they're BFFs. Myungsoo thinks that Sungyeol is the most hilarious person on the planet--when Sungyeol is goofing off, it's honestly more fun to watch Myungsoo watching Sungyeol than it is to watch Sungyeol. Myungsoo is obviously more attached to Sungyeol than vice-versa--he's a clingy guy, which Sungyeol is NOT, and he's also, imo, less embarrassed by his feelings (one of my favorite moments: Sungyeol tweets "I like you" to Myungsoo; Myungsoo tweets back "Me too I love you." THAT IS SO THEM--Myungsoo ups the ante).
By which I mean, I think Sungyeol cares about him a lot, but he's not one to show that; he's totally that guy who gets embarrassed when his mom hugs him in public. So he's not going to be one for PDA or even talking about how close he and Myungsoo are. Myungsoo will tell interviewers flat-out that Sungyeol is the one he's closest to, but Sungyeol shows most of his feelings via teasing. He does some fanservice-y stuff, but most of the time it's very clearly fanservice, if you know what I mean. This is one of the reasons why the Hug to End All Hugs was such a big deal for Myungyeol shippers: it was Sungyeol instigating, which he almost never does (see: Myungsoo latching onto Sungyeol's back and Sungyeol not even acknowledging that Myungsoo is even there--absolutely hilarious). You can even see in that last gif that Myungsoo's the one who wants to hold on longer after Sungyeol pulls away. Myungsoo just loves to cuddle, and Sungyeol very much doesn't (which is fun because Myungsoo is the more "masculine" one or at least that's what fandom is constantly telling me).
For some reason that baffles me, most fanfic writers tend to write their dynamic as Yeollie being in love with Myungsoo and Myungsoo starting out as oblivious/indifferent/not interested. Which is okay sometimes, and I've definitely enjoyed fics like that, but I don't get why there isn't loads more Myungsoo-is-derpily-and-awkwardly-in-love-with-his-bff-and-it-takes-a-while-to-win-him-over fic. I want more.
Obviously I ship this, sometimes on just a they're-bros level, but they keep taking over my fanfic-writing brain, too. Basically I can't get enough of this dynamic. BOYS.
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+ Sunggyu/Woohyun - FEELINGS. How are you not going to ship them when Woohyun walks around saying things like, "A Kim Sunggyu without a Nam Woohyun is like chopsticks without a spoon, a thread without a needle, a kite without string"? I mean really.
They're the biggest ship in this fandom, at least as far as I can tell and if amount-of-fic-written is any indication, and for good reason. Sunggyu is Mr. Leader and takes his responsibilities very seriously. Woohyun is absolutely his right hand and isn't afraid of saying so. (I have a lot of feelings about this. A lot. Ahem.) The funny thing about that is that on the surface Woohyun seems like he's all flash: he's the greasy king of fanservice and aegyo, the most over the top and excessive (sometime I'm going to write an ESSAY about his gender performance and how interesting it is, but that's another day). Sunggyu has said that he didn't like Woohyun at first, but now he trusts him more than anyone, which I can easily believe. So Woohyun has more substance than people give him credit for--underneath that idol-mask there's someone who Sunggyu can rely on. He works very hard and takes his idol responsibilities very seriously (by which I mean: I don't think he's naturally that greasy or that he really wants to show off his abs every five seconds the way he does, but he thinks it's his job. Woohyun fascinates me).
They're kind of an odd couple, but they're the power couple of the group, definitely. What I find really fascinating about them is that I think their relationship isn't all that straightforward: there's no way they don't fight (and probably a lot) since they're so different and Woohyun has such a forceful personality but Sunggyu is In Charge and I imagine there have been a lot of power struggles between them at times, and yet there's this undeniable bond there. I think both of them are also very Aware of their status as "The Woogyu Couple" and play directly to that, so in fic you can take advantage of the dissonance between who they really are and how they present themselves for audiences. They're lots of fun to explore via fic because you can have them be together and happy and have that seem realistic, but you can also go as angsty and complicated as it's possible to be, and that'll seem real, too. They're very dynamic, is what I'm saying. Yes, I ship it.
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+ Hoya/Dongwoo - Okay, confession: I don't ship this. But this is the other one of the Big Three ships in the fandom, so we're going to touch on it. Hoya and Dongwoo are bffs, and they're basically the happy old marrieds of the band. They are absolutely the most talented rapper line in kpop--they can both sing, dance, and rap better than your favorites. And they do dances and raps and stuff together; they're kind of a unit. Dongwoo is the most delightful person in the history of the world and he's always laughing and being more wonderful than everyone else in a delightfully bizarre way. Hoya is more subdued generally speaking, not nearly as open, but he seems like a steady kind of person, though he has a ridiculous sense of humor--they mostly don't let him talk in interviews because he's sure to say something inappropriate. He's kind of the most fabulous when he's making fun of the other members, especially Sunggyu.
ANYWAY. They're friends in the most straightforward sense of the word. But they also are aware of their shippers--their ship name is YaDong, which: yeah. Uh-huh. Hoya made lots of jokes on Sesame Player about how he and Dongwoo were filming We Got Married, so this pairing is full of rappers-got-married jokes. I don't really ship this (probably mostly because I'm not that interested in Hoya?) so I don't have much to say about it, but I read lots of fic about them because the fic is often great.
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+ Myungsoo/Sungjong - Every five minutes it seems like there are shipper wars between Myungjong fans and Myungyeol fans. It's all very annoying. Myungjong is pretty popular, and for obvious reasons: Myungsoo loves to squish Sungjongie's pretty face and hug him and generally be adorable and Sungjong tolerates this (honestly, this cracks me up so much: the toleration is so clear to me. Poor Sungjongie!). They were, I hear tell, the biggest ship right after debut, because they're maknae line and so were always together and, besides, they're both insanely pretty. I don't ship this at all, but I think I could if people would write them correctly.
The thing that bothers me about this ship as I see it presented is that people act like Myungsoo is really an ice prince cool-guy and that Sungjong is all sweet and innocent and adorable. This frustrates me to no end, because those are their stage personas: in actuality Myungsoo is a giant dorky loser who only looks emotionless because he's constantly zoning out, and Sungjong is a fierce, fearless diva who is absolutely terrifying when he's scary and who is totally unimpressed by his hyungs and their silliness. Honestly, I could ship that! Because that dynamic could be HILARIOUS, especially with derpy Myungsoo tripping all over himself to get cool, bitchy Sungjong's attention. But you never really see that dynamic presented, so I don't have any interest in this ship, though I love them as friends.
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+ Woohyun/Sungyeol - We're talking about them next because I'm writing the Epic Fic of Doom about them! I ship this for two reasons: 1) They are absolutely evil together and make each other laugh a lot, and 2) They could hurt each other the most.
When I say they're evil together, I mean that it was these two who came up with the idea that the best way to celebrate Dongwoo's birthday would be TO MAKE HIM CRY. Like, why do people let them in a room together, I do not know? If they combine their powers they could easily take over the world. They're both snarky and can be totally banter-y with each other. And on top of that, Woohyun is in second place on the list of People Who Think Sungyeol Is Hilarious--obviously no one's going to replace Myungsoo as king of this category, but Woohyun often just dies laughing at things Sungyeol says, and Sungyeol seems to enjoy that. It's why I think they could be totally adorable together. It seems that Woohyun has also taken Sungyeol as his padawan in the ways of fanservice--they throw hearts a lot together now and he's teaching Sungyeol how to be greasier. It's hysterical and I love them. (Also, Sungyeol has been saying things like, "My Woohyun, who I respect the most..." which makes me want to shout TEASE at him.)
On the other hand, my Epic Fic of Doom basically explores the idea that they can hurt each other the most. The reason is this: Woohyun is always ready to fight a war when it comes to power. He knows what his weapons are, he knows how to use them, he's constantly aware of other people's weaknesses. Sungyeol, on the other hand, is sharp. Very sharp. You don't notice that he's got a brain in his head because he's so often being silly, but he does, and I have zero doubts that when he actually pays attention to those around him he is more insightful and able to see through people's lies than anyone else in the group. What I'm saying is: I think these two could figure out how to hurt other people more easily than anyone else, and they could do it with such skill. They don't tend to do this (or when Woohyun does, he does it in a passive-aggressive way, I love this kid), but they could, and the idea of them doing it to each other fascinates me endlessly.
Also they're the two members I find most insecure--Woohyun is a giant mess of Performance as Identity and complicated feelings about his role as an idol, constantly being called fake and even a whore, everything is a mask for him; Sungyeol is always last choice, constantly being told that he's the least talented member, he wants to be an actor so bad but his career hasn't taken off while Myungsoo's has (and now Hoya's, too!), he thinks his role is to be the jokester but I think he wants more than that, he never gets any lines in the songs: basically they're both giant messes, so I like throwing them in a room and making them bump into each other. Obviously I ship this.
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+ Dongwoo/Sunggyu and/or Dongwoo/Woohyun - What I'm trying to tell you is that I ship any permutation of Sunggyu/Dongwoo/Woohyun. And I ship it as an OT3, absolutely. Dongwoo has been ALL OVER Sunggyu lately, and it is adorable. He gave him his new Gyu Gee Gee nickname (which Sunggyu has turned into his twitter handle, isn't that precious?), and watching Sunggyu hold Dongwoo's hand while Dongwoo was so terrified in the scary episodes of Ranking King was the sweetest thing in the world. They're the hyungs, the oldest guys in the group, and kind of the dad and mom in the sense that Sunggyu is the authority (when his dongsaengs listen to him, which isn't often) and the one who pushes them, and Dongwoo is the supportive, concerned one who loves to hug on everybody and cares the most. They're totally sweet together.
As for Dongwoo and Woohyun, I think Woohyun would say that Dongwoo is his closest friend in the band (besides Sunggyu)--I think Dongwoo wouldn't judge him the way some of the other guys would, and he'd be able to trust Dongwoo enough to be honest about who he really is when he's with them. They're always hanging all over each other, so comfortable together, and it's so very sweet.
Basically these three should all be married together imo.
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+ Myungsoo/Sungyeol/Sungjong - MAKNAE LINE OT3. Why have shipper wars when you can have an OT3? The little brothers should all just go together, is what I say. Sungyeol and Sungjong have some serious chemistry in their PERFORMANCE OF TROUBLEMAKER WITH SUNGYEOL AS A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN WITH AWESOME LEGS AND THEY ACTUALLY KISS (have you seen this yet? This is something that exists in the world), so why not ship all three of them together? That way nobody gets left out! I demand more fic, okay?
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+ Hoya/Sungjong - This ship is SO UNDERRATED and I do not know why. I ship this super hard. They're roommates and seem pretty close. People consider Hoya the most "masculine" member of the group and Sungjong is the most "feminine," but what's fun about them is that there are lots of ways to subvert that dynamic: Hoya is a very gentle guy, honestly, and Sungjong is the the one who watches scary movies that make his hyungs tremble without batting an eyelash. And by all accounts, when cameras aren't around, he's very manly. Sungjong has presented himself as very innocent, but I don't believe it for a second (he probably knows way more about the world than Myungsoo and Sungyeol, let's be honest), so I especially like fics where Sungjong seduces Hoya and knows exactly what he's doing. Mostly I started shipping this when in an interview Hoya was asked how he and Sungjong seem so close when they also seem so different, and Hoya's answer was, "Sungjongie is my matter of interest." WHO EVEN SAYS THAT? Instant ship.
What I want most in life is to see them dance together--Hoya doing what he usually does, Sungjong doing one of his girlgroup dances, and then them fusing them together.
Obviously there are other possibilities, combinations, whatever. But this should get you started and hopefully give you feelings.
So you've got 7 really attractive guys in this band, all of whom are always hanging all over each other, some of them because they're naturally demonstrative, some of them because that's their job, but either way: obviously people are going to ship things. Here's a rough guide to the bigger ships in fandom and also to the smaller things that I personally ship. Yay!
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+ Myungsoo/Sungyeol - We'll start with this ship since you're already having ~feelings about them. Myungsoo and Sungyeol are BROS. They're always shoving each other and talking about how much they hate each other, but everyone acknowledges that they're BFFs. Myungsoo thinks that Sungyeol is the most hilarious person on the planet--when Sungyeol is goofing off, it's honestly more fun to watch Myungsoo watching Sungyeol than it is to watch Sungyeol. Myungsoo is obviously more attached to Sungyeol than vice-versa--he's a clingy guy, which Sungyeol is NOT, and he's also, imo, less embarrassed by his feelings (one of my favorite moments: Sungyeol tweets "I like you" to Myungsoo; Myungsoo tweets back "Me too I love you." THAT IS SO THEM--Myungsoo ups the ante).
By which I mean, I think Sungyeol cares about him a lot, but he's not one to show that; he's totally that guy who gets embarrassed when his mom hugs him in public. So he's not going to be one for PDA or even talking about how close he and Myungsoo are. Myungsoo will tell interviewers flat-out that Sungyeol is the one he's closest to, but Sungyeol shows most of his feelings via teasing. He does some fanservice-y stuff, but most of the time it's very clearly fanservice, if you know what I mean. This is one of the reasons why the Hug to End All Hugs was such a big deal for Myungyeol shippers: it was Sungyeol instigating, which he almost never does (see: Myungsoo latching onto Sungyeol's back and Sungyeol not even acknowledging that Myungsoo is even there--absolutely hilarious). You can even see in that last gif that Myungsoo's the one who wants to hold on longer after Sungyeol pulls away. Myungsoo just loves to cuddle, and Sungyeol very much doesn't (which is fun because Myungsoo is the more "masculine" one or at least that's what fandom is constantly telling me).
For some reason that baffles me, most fanfic writers tend to write their dynamic as Yeollie being in love with Myungsoo and Myungsoo starting out as oblivious/indifferent/not interested. Which is okay sometimes, and I've definitely enjoyed fics like that, but I don't get why there isn't loads more Myungsoo-is-derpily-and-awkwardly-in-love-with-his-bff-and-it-takes-a-while-to-win-him-over fic. I want more.
Obviously I ship this, sometimes on just a they're-bros level, but they keep taking over my fanfic-writing brain, too. Basically I can't get enough of this dynamic. BOYS.
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+ Sunggyu/Woohyun - FEELINGS. How are you not going to ship them when Woohyun walks around saying things like, "A Kim Sunggyu without a Nam Woohyun is like chopsticks without a spoon, a thread without a needle, a kite without string"? I mean really.
They're the biggest ship in this fandom, at least as far as I can tell and if amount-of-fic-written is any indication, and for good reason. Sunggyu is Mr. Leader and takes his responsibilities very seriously. Woohyun is absolutely his right hand and isn't afraid of saying so. (I have a lot of feelings about this. A lot. Ahem.) The funny thing about that is that on the surface Woohyun seems like he's all flash: he's the greasy king of fanservice and aegyo, the most over the top and excessive (sometime I'm going to write an ESSAY about his gender performance and how interesting it is, but that's another day). Sunggyu has said that he didn't like Woohyun at first, but now he trusts him more than anyone, which I can easily believe. So Woohyun has more substance than people give him credit for--underneath that idol-mask there's someone who Sunggyu can rely on. He works very hard and takes his idol responsibilities very seriously (by which I mean: I don't think he's naturally that greasy or that he really wants to show off his abs every five seconds the way he does, but he thinks it's his job. Woohyun fascinates me).
They're kind of an odd couple, but they're the power couple of the group, definitely. What I find really fascinating about them is that I think their relationship isn't all that straightforward: there's no way they don't fight (and probably a lot) since they're so different and Woohyun has such a forceful personality but Sunggyu is In Charge and I imagine there have been a lot of power struggles between them at times, and yet there's this undeniable bond there. I think both of them are also very Aware of their status as "The Woogyu Couple" and play directly to that, so in fic you can take advantage of the dissonance between who they really are and how they present themselves for audiences. They're lots of fun to explore via fic because you can have them be together and happy and have that seem realistic, but you can also go as angsty and complicated as it's possible to be, and that'll seem real, too. They're very dynamic, is what I'm saying. Yes, I ship it.
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+ Hoya/Dongwoo - Okay, confession: I don't ship this. But this is the other one of the Big Three ships in the fandom, so we're going to touch on it. Hoya and Dongwoo are bffs, and they're basically the happy old marrieds of the band. They are absolutely the most talented rapper line in kpop--they can both sing, dance, and rap better than your favorites. And they do dances and raps and stuff together; they're kind of a unit. Dongwoo is the most delightful person in the history of the world and he's always laughing and being more wonderful than everyone else in a delightfully bizarre way. Hoya is more subdued generally speaking, not nearly as open, but he seems like a steady kind of person, though he has a ridiculous sense of humor--they mostly don't let him talk in interviews because he's sure to say something inappropriate. He's kind of the most fabulous when he's making fun of the other members, especially Sunggyu.
ANYWAY. They're friends in the most straightforward sense of the word. But they also are aware of their shippers--their ship name is YaDong, which: yeah. Uh-huh. Hoya made lots of jokes on Sesame Player about how he and Dongwoo were filming We Got Married, so this pairing is full of rappers-got-married jokes. I don't really ship this (probably mostly because I'm not that interested in Hoya?) so I don't have much to say about it, but I read lots of fic about them because the fic is often great.
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+ Myungsoo/Sungjong - Every five minutes it seems like there are shipper wars between Myungjong fans and Myungyeol fans. It's all very annoying. Myungjong is pretty popular, and for obvious reasons: Myungsoo loves to squish Sungjongie's pretty face and hug him and generally be adorable and Sungjong tolerates this (honestly, this cracks me up so much: the toleration is so clear to me. Poor Sungjongie!). They were, I hear tell, the biggest ship right after debut, because they're maknae line and so were always together and, besides, they're both insanely pretty. I don't ship this at all, but I think I could if people would write them correctly.
The thing that bothers me about this ship as I see it presented is that people act like Myungsoo is really an ice prince cool-guy and that Sungjong is all sweet and innocent and adorable. This frustrates me to no end, because those are their stage personas: in actuality Myungsoo is a giant dorky loser who only looks emotionless because he's constantly zoning out, and Sungjong is a fierce, fearless diva who is absolutely terrifying when he's scary and who is totally unimpressed by his hyungs and their silliness. Honestly, I could ship that! Because that dynamic could be HILARIOUS, especially with derpy Myungsoo tripping all over himself to get cool, bitchy Sungjong's attention. But you never really see that dynamic presented, so I don't have any interest in this ship, though I love them as friends.
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+ Woohyun/Sungyeol - We're talking about them next because I'm writing the Epic Fic of Doom about them! I ship this for two reasons: 1) They are absolutely evil together and make each other laugh a lot, and 2) They could hurt each other the most.
When I say they're evil together, I mean that it was these two who came up with the idea that the best way to celebrate Dongwoo's birthday would be TO MAKE HIM CRY. Like, why do people let them in a room together, I do not know? If they combine their powers they could easily take over the world. They're both snarky and can be totally banter-y with each other. And on top of that, Woohyun is in second place on the list of People Who Think Sungyeol Is Hilarious--obviously no one's going to replace Myungsoo as king of this category, but Woohyun often just dies laughing at things Sungyeol says, and Sungyeol seems to enjoy that. It's why I think they could be totally adorable together. It seems that Woohyun has also taken Sungyeol as his padawan in the ways of fanservice--they throw hearts a lot together now and he's teaching Sungyeol how to be greasier. It's hysterical and I love them. (Also, Sungyeol has been saying things like, "My Woohyun, who I respect the most..." which makes me want to shout TEASE at him.)
On the other hand, my Epic Fic of Doom basically explores the idea that they can hurt each other the most. The reason is this: Woohyun is always ready to fight a war when it comes to power. He knows what his weapons are, he knows how to use them, he's constantly aware of other people's weaknesses. Sungyeol, on the other hand, is sharp. Very sharp. You don't notice that he's got a brain in his head because he's so often being silly, but he does, and I have zero doubts that when he actually pays attention to those around him he is more insightful and able to see through people's lies than anyone else in the group. What I'm saying is: I think these two could figure out how to hurt other people more easily than anyone else, and they could do it with such skill. They don't tend to do this (or when Woohyun does, he does it in a passive-aggressive way, I love this kid), but they could, and the idea of them doing it to each other fascinates me endlessly.
Also they're the two members I find most insecure--Woohyun is a giant mess of Performance as Identity and complicated feelings about his role as an idol, constantly being called fake and even a whore, everything is a mask for him; Sungyeol is always last choice, constantly being told that he's the least talented member, he wants to be an actor so bad but his career hasn't taken off while Myungsoo's has (and now Hoya's, too!), he thinks his role is to be the jokester but I think he wants more than that, he never gets any lines in the songs: basically they're both giant messes, so I like throwing them in a room and making them bump into each other. Obviously I ship this.
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+ Dongwoo/Sunggyu and/or Dongwoo/Woohyun - What I'm trying to tell you is that I ship any permutation of Sunggyu/Dongwoo/Woohyun. And I ship it as an OT3, absolutely. Dongwoo has been ALL OVER Sunggyu lately, and it is adorable. He gave him his new Gyu Gee Gee nickname (which Sunggyu has turned into his twitter handle, isn't that precious?), and watching Sunggyu hold Dongwoo's hand while Dongwoo was so terrified in the scary episodes of Ranking King was the sweetest thing in the world. They're the hyungs, the oldest guys in the group, and kind of the dad and mom in the sense that Sunggyu is the authority (when his dongsaengs listen to him, which isn't often) and the one who pushes them, and Dongwoo is the supportive, concerned one who loves to hug on everybody and cares the most. They're totally sweet together.
As for Dongwoo and Woohyun, I think Woohyun would say that Dongwoo is his closest friend in the band (besides Sunggyu)--I think Dongwoo wouldn't judge him the way some of the other guys would, and he'd be able to trust Dongwoo enough to be honest about who he really is when he's with them. They're always hanging all over each other, so comfortable together, and it's so very sweet.
Basically these three should all be married together imo.
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+ Myungsoo/Sungyeol/Sungjong - MAKNAE LINE OT3. Why have shipper wars when you can have an OT3? The little brothers should all just go together, is what I say. Sungyeol and Sungjong have some serious chemistry in their PERFORMANCE OF TROUBLEMAKER WITH SUNGYEOL AS A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN WITH AWESOME LEGS AND THEY ACTUALLY KISS (have you seen this yet? This is something that exists in the world), so why not ship all three of them together? That way nobody gets left out! I demand more fic, okay?
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+ Hoya/Sungjong - This ship is SO UNDERRATED and I do not know why. I ship this super hard. They're roommates and seem pretty close. People consider Hoya the most "masculine" member of the group and Sungjong is the most "feminine," but what's fun about them is that there are lots of ways to subvert that dynamic: Hoya is a very gentle guy, honestly, and Sungjong is the the one who watches scary movies that make his hyungs tremble without batting an eyelash. And by all accounts, when cameras aren't around, he's very manly. Sungjong has presented himself as very innocent, but I don't believe it for a second (he probably knows way more about the world than Myungsoo and Sungyeol, let's be honest), so I especially like fics where Sungjong seduces Hoya and knows exactly what he's doing. Mostly I started shipping this when in an interview Hoya was asked how he and Sungjong seem so close when they also seem so different, and Hoya's answer was, "Sungjongie is my matter of interest." WHO EVEN SAYS THAT? Instant ship.
What I want most in life is to see them dance together--Hoya doing what he usually does, Sungjong doing one of his girlgroup dances, and then them fusing them together.
Obviously there are other possibilities, combinations, whatever. But this should get you started and hopefully give you feelings.
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"A Kim Sunggyu without a Nam Woohyun is like chopsticks without a spoon, a thread without a needle, a kite without string"
HOW DO THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN? I can never figure out whether I am being punished or rewarded when ships like this happen to me. I really can't. These two are a blessing and a curse, basically. I love dynamics like this, where they're both kind of fighting for the leadership role, but they also respect the shit out of each other. fhdjs;fkhdjksflh
WOOHYUN/SUNGYEOL PARTNERS IN CRIME. THEY ARE EVERYTHING I NEVER KNEW I NEEDED. omg. And I love how you are interpreting their calculating natures as a weapon that they could use against each other. I am super excited to start reading the fic you wrote about them.
Dongwoo is the most precious person to exist probably ever. I WANT TO HUG HIM AND ALSO MAYBE MAKE OUT WITH HIS FACE NGL. THOSE GIFS. Is it okay to ship him with all of humanity?
How haven't I seen that Troublemaker performance??? This was the point in the post where I started silentscreaming and didn't stop. Like. HOW ARE WE EXPECTED TO COPE WITH THIS.
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We should share good hojong fics because I haven't come across many of them :(Not even going to start with yadong because I could go on forever ;_; but honestly, as a biased girl, I am going to sit there and look at this sentence: They are absolutely the most talented rapper line in kpop--they can both sing, dance, and rap better than your favorites. and refer it to everybody who thinks I am biased (which, I totally am, everybody knows I fucking adore those two, lmao). I think what I like the most is that a lot of the times is about how Hoya and Dongwoo go from best friends to lovers, and I really love that? There isn't that much tension as in other pairings, and they barely have to create bridges between them, but because of that you can explore other aspects of their relationship and I've read fantastic fics ;;
lol, see? What you feel with Yadong it's what happens to me with Woogyu. Probably because they are the ones I am the least interested in (which doesn't mean Woohyun isn't my fave voice or that I don't want to squish Gyu 24/7
not sure how he'd feel about that, tho), I rarely LOOK for fics. I come across a lot and therefore, if they seem good, I read them, but that's about it? I mean, I've read great Woogyus! So, I am kinda grateful to the ship and the writers, but they just don't grab my attention that much, I guess :/On the other hand, you've made me ship Sungyeol/Woohyun OTL Mostly because your fic is amazing and I had never thought of them and adlkfjalsdfkjadflads. LOTS OF FEELINGS NOT ENOUGH WORDS FOR THEM ;; I just really really like them
i am going to get killed if i say i'd take them over woogyu anytime, right?and you do them so well I'll just stay here suffering my way through the fic :( (which is amazing ♥ don't think I've commented the last chapter yet but ugh LOVE)....and that is all oh dear god why do i talk so much even when i am not even the one person that this post was for lol.
Flawless people to compensate my not so flawless inability to stop talking, hihihi.
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So the thing about Infinite is there is an amount of possible ships that can exist among the members. They know how to please their fans and they don't give things away all. the. time. These ships excite you (like what ships always do) and the members know when not to provide fanservice, for the fans to miss it and look forward for the next time it will happen, and they know when to provide it. Infinite feels like the kpop group which has the best fanservice ever. Ever. Not just in the context of shipping, but the way they treat the fans on a bigger context is just adorable (See: Cover Girl Live PV), and you just can't help but love them more for it.
Also, the thing about Infinite is, they know how to experiment among the otps. Experiment (I couldn't choose a better term, haha), in a sense that they don't just cage themselves in the otp that was already established. This, for me, is really frustrating, because I know deep inside my heart that I love Myungyeol and Woogyu, but I can't help but love Wooyeol too. And it's not just because of the fanfics I've read about the two, but because Wooyeol themselves initiated it with all the greasy heart-throwing and subtle skin interactions.
I always tell my Inspirit friends about this. Dongwoo is the most shippable member in Infinite. Probably because of how he's a combination of both extremes, and he knows how to balance that and to play both sides well. He can be this sexy beast if he wants to, then he can be this really cute and innocent teddy bear. I don't know, but I'll absolutely give the award "Best Shipped Member" to him if such award exists, because he does interactions flawlessly (or maybe he's just really adorable, period). But whenever I see him with a member, it just clicks. Whoever that member is. Also, it's probably coming from the root that he's really sweet and approachable and mother-like. Seeing him with any Infinite member isn't at all awkward or uncomfortable in any sense, and if there's any form of awkwardness present, it's the I-still-want-you-both-to-hug kind of awkward.
From all the otps, I mostly enjoy reading Yadong ffs. We all know Yadong isn't that much expressive of their fanservice (mainly because of Hoya and how stoic he can be in most cases), which is why I enjoy reading the his stoicalness and the possibilities of how this affect his relationship with Dongwoo. Fanfics basically provide me that hunger I have from this two men, mostly because they are my next two favorites after Sungyeol.
As for Woogyu, I don't really like the ship (or I don't really spazz over them that much) and if I do, it's mainly because of Woohyun (which is absolutely disconcerting because he's not even one of my favorite members to begin with), since, from how I see it, Woohyun is the one who mostly initiates the otp fanservice (now doesn't he always?) and you just want to give him credits for that. But the recent Woogyu conversation on Twitter (the one in which Sunggyu was all, "blah blah blah my roommate, Nam Woohyun?") sort of won me over and made me realize I should probably give them more time of the day.
I don't even need to say things about Myungyeol because Myungyeol is perfect, and ohmygod, where do you find a friendship as clear as day and real and honest and (insert more perfect words here) like that? Period. No words. I love them. God and everyone else I know can attest that I do. I might die here because of the sweetness of the otp, and Myungyeol will never ever know. I had to relearn how to breathe after watching the Myungyeol pepero kiss video during Infinite's Second Invasion Concert.
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Lirazel, you made me love Wooyeol more than anything else. At first, I wasn't aware of this pairing, but you made it happen because of your fanfic. And from that I start to take notice of their interactions (no matter how slight they can be).
The world needs more Hojong, and people should admit that. Case in point, I appreciate Hojong more than Myungjong. Probably because of the amount of respect that is present (not that Sungjong doesn't respect Myungsoo) between them, and Hoya is the kind of man who knows how to and will protect the maknae. And I love the thinking about that.
AND OH WHY SHOULD AN OTP EXIST WHEN AN OT3 CAN, RIGHT? RIGHT? OR EVEN OT7. UGH. INFINITE SHOULD JUST LIVE IN ONE HOUSE FOREVER EVEN IF THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FAMILIES. I DON'T WANT THEM TO SEPARATE. NOT GONNA BE READY FOR THE SEPARATION PART. EVER.
Okay, I'm done. I think. I feel like I'm a talking mess. Sorry! :(
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I am so glad you have developed Woogyu feelings! THEY ARE THE BEST AND THE WORST ROLLED INTO ONE. You can do anything with them! It's fun to write them as people who hate each other but know how absolutely necessary each of them is to the other's success! It's fun to write them as happy and in love! It's fun to write them as everything in between!
WOOHYUN/SUNGYEOL PARTNERS IN CRIME. THEY ARE EVERYTHING I NEVER KNEW I NEEDED
I LOVE THEM AS PARTNERS IN CRIME SO MUCH. DEVIOUS MINDS.
Dongwoo is the most precious person to exist probably ever. I WANT TO HUG HIM AND ALSO MAYBE MAKE OUT WITH HIS FACE NGL.
Oh, hello, are you me?
Dongwoo is by far the most shippable of all the guys, actually, despite the fact that I personally only really ship him with Sunggyu and Woohyun. The reason for this is that he's the most touchy and he has skinship with EVERYONE. You can seriously find moments where he's hugging on/grabbing the butts of/biting (yes, biting!) each of the other guys and it is delightful. And everyone's fine with it! They all let him climb all over them! He sits in Myungsoo's lap while Myungsoo is playing with his phone! He gives Hoya piggyback rides despite the fact that Hoya is bigger than him! HE GRABS BUTTS RIGHT AND LEFT. I have never seen a more tactile person in my entire life.
Basically: yes, ship him with everyone.
This was the point in the post where I started silentscreaming and didn't stop. Like. HOW ARE WE EXPECTED TO COPE WITH THIS
I KNOW. The best thing about this is that Sungjong is the guy when everyone expected him to be the girl! I LOVE IT. And Sungyeol really has the legs for it!
Apparently Sungjong came into Sungyeol's room one day and was like, "Hyung, I want to do a cover of 'Trouble Maker' with you."
And Sungyeol was like, "Sure, okay."
And then Sungjong told him that he wanted Sungyeol to be the girl. And Sungyeol was like uuuuuuuh. And then he agreed to do it but only if Sungjongie kissed him for real. YES THAT IS A TRUE STORY.
So they totally kiss for real at the end. BOYS.
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from the fact that they share a room (and they seem to actually want it? as in, isn't it sth they either chose or had a hand in?)
I KNOW. They seem to really, really want to be roommates! Because Hoya easily could have moved in with Dongwoo when they moved dorms, but he didn't! And it makes me so happy!
They also look stunning together--that contrast between Hoya and his stocky muscles and Sungjong's dainty prettiness. I will probably have to write them at some point because I am completely dissatisfied at the lack of fic about them. What is fandom's problem?
I've probably read the fic, but just in case I haven't, I'd love a link! And I'll have to look through my lists and see if I can find any myself.
I think what I like the most is that a lot of the times is about how Hoya and Dongwoo go from best friends to lovers, and I really love that? There isn't that much tension as in other pairings, and they barely have to create bridges between them, but because of that you can explore other aspects of their relationship and I've read fantastic fics
I totally agree with this. The best friends-to-lovers thing that most people do in fics is really, really lovely, so even though I don't have lots of feelings about them myself, I do often really love the fics.
WOOHYUN HAS THE BEST VOICE. I think he's technically not as good of a singer as Sunggyu, but I just love his voice. It makes me happy.
So, I am kinda grateful to the ship and the writers, but they just don't grab my attention that much, I guess :/
Yup, that's how I feel about Yadong! So we have switched personalities there.
On the other hand, you've made me ship Sungyeol/Woohyun
*insanely flattered* I am so happy to hear this! They are so much fun together! And after I write this angsty fic I want to write happy fic of them being partners in crime because they absolutely are! I am super glad you're liking the fic!
Oh, you can talk as much as you want to! Nobody ever has to apologize for length of comments in my journal! I'm glad you enjoyed the post.
LOOK AT THE BEAUTIFUL HUMAN BEINGS IN YOUR GIF. SO PRETTY IT HURTS.
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Probably because of how he's a combination of both extremes, and he knows how to balance that and to play both sides well. He can be this sexy beast if he wants to, then he can be this really cute and innocent teddy bear
SO SO SO TRUE.
the one in which Sunggyu was all, "blah blah blah my roommate, Nam Woohyun?"
Wasn't that adorable? That was so adorable!
MYUNGYEOL IS THE BEST. BROS FOREVER.
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Case in point, I appreciate Hojong more than Myungjong. Probably because of the amount of respect that is present (not that Sungjong doesn't respect Myungsoo) between them
Absolutely. And Hoya picks on Sungjong less than his other hyungs, too. And he takes Sungjongie's temper tantrums in stride, too. I love that about them.
INFINITE SHOULD JUST LIVE IN ONE HOUSE FOREVER EVEN IF THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FAMILIES. I DON'T WANT THEM TO SEPARATE. NOT GONNA BE READY FOR THE SEPARATION PART. EVER.
I KNOW RIGHT? I don't ever let myself think about even their military service because I just can't handle the thought of them apart.
Never apologize for talking in my journal! This is a journal of loooong comments!
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i love myungyeol best as bffs n i was surprised reading your take on them, actually! i never saw sungyeol as quite as ~cool as you see him. but now that i think of it, i guess it is true that yeol's really not the touchy type. it made me rethink their dynamics. i've always seen sungyeol as being pretty adoring of his dongsaeng and being kinda dependent on him to connect him to the rest of the group. when myungsoo's not around i feel like sungyeol gets a little detached and independent of everyone else, idk if it's some leftover seventh-wheel syndrome or just him being all 'i go at my own pace' lol but i think myungsoo is the thing that makes sungyeol feel most secure about his position in the group whenever he feels lost!!
most fanfic writers tend to write their dynamic as Yeollie being in love with Myungsoo and Myungsoo starting out as oblivious/indifferent/not interested.
but this!! omg. idgi, like do people not see the way myungsoo laughs over yeol like a teenage girl giggling at every word her crush says, omg, myungsoo thinks sungyeol is the greatest thing since kimchi. it is so cute. the stoic prince L needs to pause and rest
my woogyu feelings can circle around the earth then travel to the sun three times and back like. they are sooooo great and complex and everything i could ever want in an otp and i totally agree with everyting you said "I think both of them are also very Aware of their status as "The Woogyu Couple"" <--- they practically ship themselves idk what to do with my heart
and then on hoya - He's kind of the most fabulous when he's making fun of the other members, especially Sunggyu.
recently i kind of have a thing for the hoya sunggyu relationship. they make great banter on rk and i am a sucker for banter and i wish they'd get explored more ;~;
ditto on everything wooyeol. they are soooo interesting to me idk are we the same person cos we have the same opinions on everything. it's still rare to find moments btwn them tho and i keep praying that they will get closer q___q idk if you know shinee at all, but it took them 5+ years for all of their ships to come to full fruition so i'm hoping wooyeol will be like that and eventually bloom into a beautiful flower of bromance, I WANT IT SO BAD sobs
i'm so sorry for bursting in here and babbling away but how could i resist after i was wishing so hard for an infinite ship post and it just FALLS INTO MY LAP LIKE THIS ;_____; leaves quietly
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Oh, come on, livejournal is made for browsing other people's journals! I do it all the time! Do not feel awkward! I'm so glad you have ~feelings about this post.
i never saw sungyeol as quite as ~cool as you see him. but now that i think of it, i guess it is true that yeol's really not the touchy type
I think I'm combining two things in my head here--one, that he's one of the least affection members of the group (to my mind, there are two subgroups in this band: the touchy ones, which are Dongwoo [duh], Myungsoo, and Woohyun [actually, Woohyun may or may not be naturally touchy, but he certainly is for the cameras, and I'm always wondering how much of that is his personality like it is Dongwoo's and Myungsoo's and how much is what he thinks he needs to do for fanservice. ANYWAY] and then the stand-off-ish ones [physically-speaking] which are Hoya, Sungyeol, and Sungjong who are just not as demonstrative. Sunggyu is kind of in the middle--he's always falling into Woohyun's lap laughing, but at the same time he doesn't seem super touchy to me, so idk. THIS IS THE LONGEST ASIDE IN THE HISTORY OF ASIDES), so he's not going to reciprocate Myungsoo's clinginess, and two, his insecurity. Most insecure child in this group, obviously. He hides it behind his bluster, but it's very clear to me. And I think that makes him feel less able to be openly affectionate than Dongwoo, who is just WIDE OPEN, or Myungsoo, who is just a strange little kid and doesn't seem to care what people really think about him. So because of that, while I think he really does love Myungsoo a lot, he just doesn't feel as comfortable showing it in obvious ways.
Unless, of course, he's talking about how Myungsoo is so cute he could die. Which. Yeah.
being kinda dependent on him to connect him to the rest of the group. when myungsoo's not around i feel like sungyeol gets a little detached and independent of everyone else, idk if it's some leftover seventh-wheel syndrome or just him being all 'i go at my own pace' lol but i think myungsoo is the thing that makes sungyeol feel most secure about his position in the group whenever he feels lost!!
I honestly haven't noticed this, but I want it to be true so badly because I LOVE THIS. OMG. I think I mostly watch them as apart from the rest of the group. So I'll have to start noticing this!
idgi, like do people not see the way myungsoo laughs over yeol like a teenage girl giggling at every word her crush says, omg, myungsoo thinks sungyeol is the greatest thing since kimchi. it is so cute. the stoic prince L needs to pause and rest
YES YES YES YES YES YES. To all of this. So hard I can't even deal with it.
they are sooooo great and complex and everything i could ever want in an otp
They have won me over so much I don't know what to deal with myself.
recently i kind of have a thing for the hoya sunggyu relationship. they make great banter on rk and i am a sucker for banter and i wish they'd get explored more ;~;
I approve of this.
I WANT WOOYEOL TO BE BROS SO BAD I CANNOT TELL YOU. There are moments where they seem like they are! And I am never over the fact that Woohyun really is the one who laughs the most at Sungyeol! OH BOYS. WOOHYUN AND SUNGYEOL: PARTNERS IN CRIME. I always get deliriously happy when Woohyun and Sungyeol are bffs in fic. I think more people must be interested in this dynamic than I thought.
You never, ever need to apologize for babbling! I am the biggest babbler ever! I love the babbling!
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ahh speaking of sungyeol's insecurity, the member's comments about the concert ---> http://infiniteupdates.tumblr.com/post/29113978191 everyone is like "thank you i love you inspirits!!!!11" and sungyeol is the only one that's like "i'm sorry i'm not good enough" my heart bled a little bit. or maybe a lot.
and have you seen one of the latest interviews that came out? the one where sungyeol gets all personal and talks about feeling "ambiguous" and wanting to leave his choding image behind but being scared to and all this other stuff and idk i just love him so much, i would love to just sit down and talk with him about shit because he really is so much smarter than he acts
talks about sungyeol forever bc fav
sunggyu is kinda weird. he always says he's not the touchy expressive type (cos he's "cool guy" duh) so i think he just does as much as he feels comfortable with n doesn't really push himself... unlike a certain member cough. his skinship is more bro-y and hyung-like to me, like claps on the back and hi-5s and ruffling hair and whatnot?? but if we keep watching i bet you woohyun will start to wear off on him, he's already getting there with the aegyo.... CRIES
i cannot resist partner in crime pairs, in all my past fandoms as well...no wonder i ended up falling so hard for wooyeol hehehe
THANK U FOR BEING ACCEPTING OF LITTLE OL ME let's babble together yayyyy!
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and sungyeol is the only one that's like "i'm sorry i'm not good enough" my heart bled a little bit. or maybe a lot.
I know, that broke my heart. And that he talks like he needs to be cool more, and that that's the image he needs to give off, and I'm like, "Darling, if you want to be cool, that's great, but don't do it just because you feel like you need to, because we love you the way you are."
and have you seen one of the latest interviews that came out? the one where sungyeol gets all personal and talks about feeling "ambiguous" and wanting to leave his choding image behind but being scared to and all this other stuff and idk i just love him so much, i would love to just sit down and talk with him about shit because he really is so much smarter than he acts
I have not read this but I MUST FIND IT because I have the same reaction as you--I really just want to sit him down and talk to him and help him find a way to appreciate himself. Poor baby.
his skinship is more bro-y and hyung-like to me, like claps on the back and hi-5s and ruffling hair and whatnot??
Yes, definitely.
i cannot resist partner in crime pairs, in all my past fandoms as well...no wonder i ended up falling so hard for wooyeol hehehe
They are just so shippable once you start paying attention to them!
You're so welcome! Yay babble!
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he agreed to do it but only if Sungjongie kissed him for real.
oh my god. YOU SHOULD SEE THE FACE I AM MAKING. fjdkfh;dsafhjadsklfhsdjkfl
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omg I am flailing here right now. My feels cannot CANNOT be contained. These boys ;__; I just love them to bits. Why are we not friends yet!?
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I don't know what this even is, but it gives me ALL THE FEELS! Look at their FINGERS! And his FACE! Good lord that "you are my everything" FACE!
And: "Sungjongie is my matter of interest." WHO EVEN SAYS THAT? Instant ship.
These are not words that people say!!!!
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I think a lot of their relationship stems from the fact that when Infinite was first formed L was the baby of the group. Guy and Dongwoo both take care of L.
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-29 05:19 am (UTC)(link)I really loved the thoughts you had about Woohyun as I have thought for sometime he is playing a part for the fans and as the "lead vocal" of Infinite. It's akin to some of the feelings and thoughts I had about my previous big love group SHINEE where I think the better voice is actually Jinki but he doesn't look/act the part that's expected the way Jonghyun does. *cough* I digress.
But I do disagree to some extent with your interpretation of Myungsoo and Sungjong as a couple. I do think that yes, Myungsoo is very definitely NOT his image. He is in fact an affectionate, clingy, kind of guy, we only have to look to how he acts with Sungyeol and Sungjong to see that. He is really the king of cuddles. But, I also think the reason we see him zoning out sometimes is that he's smart. (I think this partly because he acts a lot like one of my brothers, sort of zoned out and then suddenly whipping out a break your heart smile and some phrase that lets you know the whole time he was thinking about life on mars or some shit)
I also think that Myungsoo is ... hmmm... how can I put this. In some ways he's the broody Heathcliff kind of guy. I'll wait til you stop laughing. *g* No but really, I think that he is, the kind of person who thinks a lot about what he is doing and feeling. And also someone who comes out and surprises you.
As for Sungjong, I think that his response to Myungsoo is a few things. That kid is sharp as a fucking tack thank you very much. He didnt' want to be too accepting of Myungsoo's clinginess because he was already battling the "Sungjong is girly/feminine possibly gay" issue. And I don't think Myungsoo has much um... if he likes someone he likes them. He's not going to pretend that he doesn't even when it would be smart if he did. (Honestly the way he's acting with the Man in Love comeback scares me that there's going to be back lash or worse that management will take steps to separate them)
Also the more the more Sungjong acted resistant to Myungsoo, the more the fangirls who ship them would be watching for every little touch. I mean come on, that near kiss they did is heart stopping to watch and the paper game *thud*
Also also, ther'es something about the way Myungsoo touches Sungjong's pretty face and lets face it, Sungjong is breathtakingly pretty and I don't even mean in a girlish way, I mean one hundred percent in a male way he's unbelievably beautiful. To me there's something very possessive about it, as if Myungsoo somewhat resents that everybody else gets to look at how pretty Sungjong is the same as he does.
Myungjong is my ship and I ship them partly from the intensity of what I see as Myungsoo's passion for Sungjong. It's as though Myungsoo simply wore down Sungjong's resistance. I have my theories also about the Adult Ceremony performance. Basically I think it was Sungjong's way of telling Myungsoo and the world that yes he was ready to accept him. Because Sungjong would never do that in just any old way. He was born to be flamboyant and fierce as hell.
And this was long. Hope you don't mind. ;)
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Also, I LOVELOVELOVE when he refers to the others as kids. Because I really read it as a responsibility and affection thing—he thinks he’s responsible for them as leader (he thinks he’s patriarch of this family and in a lot of ways he absolutely is) and he takes his responsibilities as a hyung very seriously and he wants to take care of them. I think it’s really sweet, and when I hear it, it gives me an explosion of OT7 feels.
As for his relationship with Sungjong, Sungjong clearly loves him a lot, so I think maybe a lot of the bullying is just for the cameras. I can’t see Sungjong loving someone who really treated him badly. Not saying Sungjong doesn’t often get frustrated with him because I am absolutely sure he does and Sungjong knows how to stand up for himself, badass that he is. But there are certain expectations for maknaes that I think they were playing into for the cameras a lot (not saying that Gyu can’t be an ass because he totally can, I just think they really play things for the cameras, especially Sungjong, who’s so very savvy).
But, I also think the reason we see him zoning out sometimes is that he's smart.
That’s interesting. I don’t think he’s dumb, I just think his thought processes are slow and deliberate. He takes his time with things (and gets distracted so he can’t always follow through—kind of similar to Dongwoo, actually, but on the opposite end of the energy spectrum) and I do think he does quite a bit of thinking. I’m not sure I’d say he’s smart, exactly (though, again, not dumb), but he takes things very seriously and wants to look at them from a lot of angles, and I think that’s really admirable. I also think his mind works quite differently than most people’s (again, like Dongwoo), and that sometimes he’s not the best at reading others and that he often has a very hard time articulating what he’s thinking (precious baby).
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This is very true. You only have to pay attention to how he treats Sungyeol and Sungjong to see this! And trying to kiss all over Dongwoo! Honey, calm down! He has very little emotional armor and doesn’t know how to play the idol game very well, and I worry the world is going to hurt him. Good thing he’s so sweet and lovely—I think he’ll always have people around him who want to take care of him because he’s such a good guy, and hopefully they’ll be able to protect him from the world.
Sungjong is breathtakingly pretty and I don't even mean in a girlish way, I mean one hundred percent in a male way he's unbelievably beautiful
SO TRUE. He’s beyond stunning.
I don’t think Myungjong is ‘real’ in the sense of actual romantic relationship going on/possibly going on the future. I read Myungsoo as someone who gets incredibly attached to/fascinated by certain people and who has very intense but not necessarily romantic/sexual feelings about them (romantic friendship? SO MYUNGSOO). Sungyeol is his best friend and he’s funny and beautiful and Myungsoo thinks he’s the greatest person on the planet. Sungjong is his precious dongsaeng who’s smart and interesting and also beautiful, and Myungsoo finds him more wonderful than anyone else. I have no doubts that Sungjong loves Myungsoo very, very much and that their relationship is really beautiful, but I don’t see it as more than friendship. Honestly, I think Sungjong’s straight, but if he isn’t, it’s Hoya I think he’d mostly likely be in love with. But of course we don’t KNOW, and we never will, so we can speculate as much as we want. And writing fic is certainly fun!
I never mind long messages! I’m always up for talking about the guys.
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totally not ransacking your lj and creeping on your comments or anything but I think with Hoya, he and his parents just...stopped communicating. I don't recall him/anyone ever saying that he was kicked out. I mean, I think it was more of a 'I suppose this means I should leave' thing rather than his parents straight up saying "leave our home until you come to your senses' like it was with Sunggyu...
I could also be completely wrong here, but yeah...-__-
I've been side-eying Hoya lately because really, some of the comments he makes to Gyu have got to hurt a bit, especially the KkulGyu nickname and the shots at how he is as a leader considering how perfectionistic/competitive/driven he is. I think that the fact that he was on his own so early with absolutely zero support(though we don;t know how his sister felt about him being kicked out or if they kept in contact) mixed with the introversion and not very positive view on life makes him come off as more of an ass than he really is.
side note-can I just say how much I LOVELOVELOVE the moments when you can see just how much he loves his members despite everything? My fave example being whenever he pets Dongwoo on the head like a child or skritches him under the chin and is just so adorably affectionate because he knows that that's what Dongwoo needs at that moment??
ps-I am currently reading all of these metas in your lj and tumblr and have no idea how to express how much I love and adore you and just fubas;obnvyisa you're giving me so many emotions and I didn't know where to put them so here you go~!
pps-I love the fact that Dongwoo is so easily shippable with everyone, even outside of Infinite(ships Dongwoo/Soohyun[ukiss] like you would not believe), but my main ship is such a rarepair it's ridiculous...I am al al al about dongsoo aka Dongwoo/Myungsoo...T_____T
forgive me for rambling...I'm sick as hell and my brain isn't really wanting to be very cooperative with me today...;;__;;