lirazel: An outdoor scene from the film Picnic at Hanging Rock ([misc] when the revolution comes)
lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2011-07-14 04:03 pm

ugh

So remember a couple of weeks ago when those cringe-inducing pictures of Allison Brie and Gillian Jacobs in lingerie paddling each other with ping-pong paddles that were like the absolute definitions of "male gaze" were making the rounds on tumblr?

Apparently the entire photoshoot is now appearing on GQ's site (and hence ALL OVER THE INTERNET EVEN VIDEOGUM), and I refuse to link to them. I feel like I should have some deep insightful thing to say about the fact that there's this whole "women in comedy" thing where supposedly we're giving women all these opporunities in comedy now but really whenever we talk about women in comedy we end up talking about how attractive they are (I still can't bring myself to watch 30 Rock because I find the premise that Tina Faye is unattractive so very ludicrous that I don't think I can take the show seriously) or how they're in competition with other women in comedy (I wish I had a link to that youtube video that shows Amy Poehler getting interviewed and SHUTTING THE GUY DOWN when he tried to make it a competition between her and Tina and she was all "Tina is my BFF. I want her to succeed. There is no cattiness here." And I fell even more in love with Amy Poehler).

Yes, I should have some deep insightful thing to say about that, but instead I just feel tired. Just tiredtiredtired of living in such a sexist, misogynist rape culture where even though women can technically enter just about any profession we choose, we still know that what really matters to people is the way that we look and where we're expected to be in constant competition with other women instead of having supportive relationships with each other. Where a woman who's just as funny as Gillian Jacobs and Allison Brie (Yvette Nicole Brown) doesn't even get invited to the photoshoot because she doesn't fit a certain image and where women who are as dazzlingly talented as Gillian Jacobs and Allison Brie are instead reduced to playing up faux lesbianism in order to titilate men instead of, you know, letting them show off their excellent senses of humor.

I just want to go take a nap (after having taken a nice long shower to wash the grossness away) and wake up in a world where this isn't the case.
lutamira: ([btvs] [faith] half face)

[personal profile] lutamira 2011-07-15 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm totally with you on the ambivalence bit. I think that especially because 30 Rock is a comedy it ends up with multiple messages since sometimes the cheap or mainstream joke stays in and gets the laugh even when it ends up subverting the more feminist messages that are also present.

I also wonder sometimes how much of it is 30 Rock meta-ness + that's an uncomfortable phenomenon for me, if a real person feels the need to self-flagellate in public like that, no matter how entertaining.

I get the impression that the show is mostly meta, or at least, the premise is highly autobiographical and some of the later seasons have, by necessity, strayed from that. And I understand what you mean about the uncomfortableness of watching someone say about themselves the same mean things other people have said about them. However, I wonder how much this has to do with comedy as a genre. I mean, when I look at comedy, and comedians in particular, it seems like what they do, what they are good at, its taking the painful parts of their life and putting them out in in public for people to laugh at. And of course that has the potential be massively maladaptive, right? I mean how many SNL alumni have died of drug overdoses at this point? (I am reading death-by-overdose as coping mechanism gone awry.) Did I have a point here? I'm not sure... :)