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+ I seriously just DO. NOT. UNDERSTAND. how Parks and Recreation can be so consistently wonderful and glorious and beautiful and sweet and joyous and delightful and happy. And I don't post reactions to it, because I would literally be repeating back every line or facial expression (I want to be BFFs with Aziz, y'all. He can go everywhere with me and make his big :O face because it brings me such delight). Because all of it is flawless. I watched this last episode with my hands clasped under my chin and a huge grin on my face--just like I watch every episode. HOW SO WONDERFUL? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

The only thing I will actually say about it (because if I get started, I won't ever stop) is that just when I didn't think I could love Ben Wyatt: Human Disaster (and yes, that is how I refer to him in my mind) more, HE TOLD TOM THAT HE WASN'T REALLY A FAN OF PETER JACKSON'S INTERPRETATION OF LORD OF THE RINGS. ME NEITHER, BEN! Visually, it's absolutely perfect, and I enjoyed all of the movies, and there were some characters who were beyond perfectly cast, but Jackson doesn't really get the influences--mostly Northern European epics and elegaic poetry--and it showed. And don't get me started on what he did to Faramir. Shutting up now.

+ Well, Matt Davis had a good time filming this episode, didn't he? I was really happy for him--he was having a blast, and it showed.

Mine and Lil Sis' viewing went something like this:

(Ten minutes in)
Me: If they kill of Bonnie, I'm never going to watch this show again.
Her: Me, neither. She's my favorite. I really think she's my favorite. And she's so pretty. I have a woman crush on her.
Me: Me, too. She's awesome. But I hear they're going to kill lots of characters soon. Matt's going to bite it, I know it. And probably Jenna.
Her: Oh, I like Jenna.
Me: Me, too. They could actually do something with her character, and that would be good.
Her: Yeah, that would be good.

(Five minutes later)
Me: Seriously, they can't kill Bonnie. They can't.
Her: They better not.

(Ten minutes later)
Me: If they kill Bonnie, I'm going to hunt someone down.
Her: ... [She's getting bored with my fear by now]

(Ten minutes later)
Me: SHE ISN'T DEAD. SHE CAN'T BE DEAD. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SHE'S DEAD. THERE ARE TEN MINUTES OF THE EPISODE LEFT. IT'S LIKE IN A PROCEDURAL--IF THEY THINK THEY'VE FOUND THE KILLER, BUT THERE ARE STILL FIFTEEN MINUTES LEFT, THEN THEY'RE WRONG, AND IT'S SOMEONE ELSE. SHE ISN'T REALLY DEAD. IT'S A FAKE OUT.
Her: [giant eyes; speechless]

(Ten minutes after that)
ME: I KNEW SHE WASN'T DEAD! I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!
Her: Well, that's good. I want to watch her make out with Jeremy some more.

Little Sister: proving that sometimes she actually has good taste.

Anyways! This episode will henceforth be known as the Bonnie Is a Badass episode. I mean, this should really be called the Bonnie Is a Badass Show, but she was especially badass this episode. I adore her so.

The part with Katherine and her leg was DISGUSTING, but OMG I LOVE KATHERINE and I like that Klaus doesn't seem bent on killing her off just yet.

Jeremy remains hot. Call me, Steven R. McQueen.

Looking forward to seeing what they do with Matt and the Sheriff. This is actually interesting stuff!

The ending made me super angsty because it looks like we're getting closer to the inevitable Damon/Elena romance. NOOOOOOO PLEASE NOOOOOOOOO. And to think that I wasn't initially against that! Way back in S1 when it looked like he might have actual character development! But he's still the same guy he was, and the preview for next week's episode make him look like he's just doing the same thing over again--"OH IT'S SO ANGSTY BEING MEEEEEEEE. NOW I'LL RIP A FEW GIRLS' THROATS OUT AND THE FANGIRLS WILL WOOBIEFY ME." Seriously, somebody needs to sit the writers down and make them watch Series 3 of Being Human to show them how to write a vampire character.

+ I have yet to see Community. Honestly, if it weren't for my mad love for Troy, I might have given up by now? This season is a major slump, especially compared to how much I enjoyed the first season. I keep hoping they'll recover. And true, there are moments of brilliance (YOU CAN'T DISAPPOINT A PICTURE!!!!), but this season is missing some of the luster. It makes me sadface.

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Anyways! This episode will henceforth be known as the Bonnie Is a Badass episode. I mean, this should really be called the Bonnie Is a Badass Show, but she was especially badass this episode. I adore her so.

Why yes she certainly was Badass, and let's see what she can do next week.

I'm looking forward to it!

Community has been such a disappointment this season. And if they kill Britta's character any more or make it the "We hate Britta/Everyone hates Britta" variety 20 minutes any more, I might have to be done.

Exactly. *sigh*

lol omg don't hate me but I am such a stan for those LOTR films and I love them forever but I agree about Faramir. Favorite boy in those novels and I was most disappointed in that aspect. But still. =3

I was actually spoiled for Bonnie so it was kind of smooth sailing but Elena's reaction still gut my heart. WHY CAN'T THE SHOW BE MORE ABOUT THOSE THREE LOVELY LADIES AND THEIR FRIENDSHIP?

I just couldn't watch Community tonight because of that tweet from Dan Harmon going around Tumblr. It breaks my heart because I love so much of the cast but I can't even deal with what he did to Britta my bb girl.

Oh, I don't hate you! It's just my opinion! (I also think they undercut most of the power of the books by leaving out the Scouring of the Shire).

Favorite boy in those novels and I was most disappointed in that aspect.

Exactly.

WHY CAN'T THE SHOW BE MORE ABOUT THOSE THREE LOVELY LADIES AND THEIR FRIENDSHIP?

I know! Every time they do focus on it, it's flawless! MORE OF THAT PLEASE!

Oh, I haven't seen this one yet. What's it say? He seriously pisses me off a great deal.

Ugh yes I would have loved to see that because it was SO important. But oh, Faramir. Loved him to pieces and I am predictable and I love my ships and I would have loved to see also more of the courtship between Faramir and Eowyn because um, favorite boy and favorite girl.

I was actually SO upset with the lack of Caroline. I know it was mostly centered around Elena, but I still thought with something that big, she should have been there. I just love these three girls and I do like Stefan/Elena, I do not not to the extent that I adore Jeremy/Bonnie, but I really wish there was less relationship-ness and more friendship time. Especially with Caroline because honestly, I just want the girl doing her own thing.

Well, apparently last night's Community used like, sexual harassment or something to get laughs and someone tweeted Dan that he wished he didn't do that and Dan responded back sarcastically and I can't even with him and OH MY HEART at your icon. Like, it breaks my heart because I love so much of the cast but like. The creator is a jackass.

Yeah, I ship Faramir/Eowyn hardcore in the books. Not so much in the movies, because...you really can't. Disappointing. THOSE KIDS. *weeps* And how great of a depiction of depression is Eowyn? Fantastic. Four for you, JRRT.

I did miss Caroline! I always miss her when she's away. And the show would definitely improve with more friendship time and less of the romantic stuff. *sigh*

Gah, he's so awful. And getting progressively worse, I think. GO AWAY, DAN HARMON. GO. AWAY.

And to think I used to like him because he ~got~ fandom. No longer. Only anger here.

Yeeeeeeees they were lovely and my LOTR OTP. But yeah, I mean, I wanted to ship them with everything in me but. They didn't have much time. So sad face forever. Eowyn was most definitely my favorite fictional lady since I first read it.

Yeah, like I just can't anymore with the way Matt's plotline is going (but lol at least he's having an actual plot but sometimes I see him and remember he was that douchy cowboy from FNL and I'm irrational most of the time) and I am whatever on Tyler if he got legit development and became a better person I would be okay with it if we were to talk about Caroline getting into an actual relationship with someone but sometimes I can't because he was just SO awful to Vicki.

Yeah Dan Harmon is just horrible.

And how great of a depiction of depression is Eowyn?

...I can't believe I never put that together. I need to change my username now, I don't deserve it, lol.

(Actually, it's probably because I read the books and loved her way before I understood depression, let alone accepted I had it, so I never even thought to read her that way. Methinks a re-read is in order.)

I can't say I thought of it myself, but once it was pointed out I went OF COURSE.

This is the post that first introduced me to the idea.

I feel like a bad woman for being annoyed that Bonnie didn't die, though I am relieved she'll have a chance to make up for all her questionable choices this season. It's just...TVD is becoming the show where I don't believe anything. "A CHARACTER IS GOING TO DIE THIS EPISODE," said the writers. Well, not staying dead means it doesn't bloody well count, okay? I've seen Heroes. Every teaser they have in the trailers about Damon/Elena and Stefan/Katherine this season has been dream-induced. I like living in the real world (with vampires and batshit storylines, yes).

The Damon/Elena made me feel something a little more than I have all freaking season (I actually went "Ship! Where have you been all this season!" at the dance scene and the scene back at the house where Damon says he will always choose Elena). It was so refreshing to see that actual dedication and...idk, fervor from him as opposed to bossy pants Damon.

That said, next ep doesn't look as promising though I am way too excited for a Stefan/Damon showdown. Spike/Angel much?

I was curious at how little Stefan and Damon seem to care that Katherine's probably dead. "Not like she didn't have it coming," yeah, but at least Damon seemed a little conflicted. The vampire who turned you - who you were both in love with and have fought over for over a century, in one way or another, is "dead." Emotions, show them me, and not just when you're eating a poor reporter girl!

Anyway. Stronger episode than of late but I want more of this, not the rest of the season.

Huh. Bonnie's are the only decisions that consistently make sense to me--she's the only one who actually acts like a human being would if she discovered the supernatural world. Well, actually, that's not true--the Sheriff and Matt are, too. I can't wait to see if they actually go there with Jenna.

TVD is becoming the show where I don't believe anything. "A CHARACTER IS GOING TO DIE THIS EPISODE," said the writers. Well, not staying dead means it doesn't bloody well count, okay? I've seen Heroes. Every teaser they have in the trailers about Damon/Elena and Stefan/Katherine this season has been dream-induced. I like living in the real world (with vampires and batshit storylines, yes).

I agree with this statement.

I have given up on Damon as a character. They're clearly never going to develop him, just have him repeat the same actions over and over. Blech. It's disappointing because there's a ton they could do with him.

though I am way too excited for a Stefan/Damon showdown. Spike/Angel much?

YES!

Emotions, show them me, and not just when you're eating a poor reporter girl!

Seriously.

It was a better episode, wasn't it? But the thing I can't get over is that this town has parties/dances/balls EVERY FIVE MINUTES. They must be the most social town in the world.

Bonnie's offensiveness this season has been rooted in the way she's treated Luka. She channeled his powers without his permission, she rufied him (and called it that) and there's something else I can't recall right now. Anyway, those two actions really made her lose any high ground in my book. When Willow was going around messing with Tara's head it was a clear violation the show didn't deal with and I'm afraid the same scenarios have been set up here - if you use the powers for the "greater good" or what you think is good, you get a pass. Bothers me.

There is so much more than could have done with Damon. I honestly feel like the writers have been half-asleep this season and the random plotlines we get have been like the random jerky movements a person makes when he's sleeping. Haphazad, not conscious and we're just waiting to wake up.

But the thing I can't get over is that this town has parties/dances/balls EVERY FIVE MINUTES. They must be the most social town in the world.

And every one is themed for a decade!

Oh, I don't think she always acts rightly--but then, who does? I'm probably giving the writers way too much credit, but I see her arc this season as her desperately trying to figure out the nature of her powers without having anyone to guide her. She's basically the epitome of the worldview shift on the show. She had this power pop into her life out of the blue, and then it kills her grandmother. So she has no one to help her figure it out. Meanwhile, one best friend has totally embraced the evil vampires (or at least that's the way it's got to seem) and the other has turned into an evil vampire. And then there's still more evil vampires who are coming to kill everyone she loves. And she's a super loyal friend, so she feel she has to do whatever it takes to protect them. Of course she makes bad choices sometimes, and I don't think that what she did to Luka was right in any way. But she's a 17-year-old girl whose life has been totally turned upside down. The way she behaves makes sense to me, even when I disagree with her.

There is so much more than could have done with Damon. I honestly feel like the writers have been half-asleep this season and the random plotlines we get have been like the random jerky movements a person makes when he's sleeping. Haphazad, not conscious and we're just waiting to wake up.

I totally agree.

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Hey, lay off Damon. He did help Bonnie fake her death so she wouldn't have to real die. That was pretty decent of him.

Matt's going to bite it, I know it.

Sadly, I agree that Matt will die, I MEAN HE WAS DRESSED AS JFK AND CAROLINE WORE THE DRESS JACKIE O WORE WHEN HE WAS SHOT. So yes. I'm worried.

This episode will henceforth be known as the Bonnie Is a Badass episode.

I will commence calling it this.

Oh, also, Community was both decent and stupid this week. Troy/Britta and Abed both had good subplots but the main plot was *eye roll*. They need to stop making Pierce part of the mainplot.

Troy/Britta and Abed both had good subplots

Favorite kids! Yay! Good to know.

They need to stop making Pierce part of the mainplot.

They so do. I loathe him. That kind of hatred is not funny. It's just ugly and sad.

I've washed my hands of Damon, which is sad because I initially liked him. But I'm tired of grading him on a curve, so I mostly pretend he's not there now. *sigh* I really, really wish they'd actually develop his character so I could like him again.

I MEAN HE WAS DRESSED AS JFK AND CAROLINE WORE THE DRESS JACKIE O WORE WHEN HE WAS SHOT.

I KNOOOOOOW. FORESHADOWING THAT HITS YOU IN THE FACE. I'm not as upset as I thought I'd be when I realized Matt was going to bite it, because I've liked him a lot less this season, but I'm disappointed because there's so much they could do with him! *sigh*

I will commence calling it this.

Excellence!

I gotta admit, I was disappointed that Bonnie is still alive. I hope she gets killed off soon, but for real this time. Witch just has to die. It is in the Dating Jeremy rule book. :P

For real though I loved how Damon and Bonnie tricked Klaus. Now Bonnie is back to being the secret weapon. Should get Bonnie some boxing gloves. In one corner we have Klaus, weighing in as the most badass Vampire of Vampires. And in the other Corner, we have Bonnie the Witch, weighing in at hundred dead witches riding her ass and able to kill Klaus with a flick of her mind! This is a match for the ages folks, and you won't be disappointed when they both die!

Why does everyone hate my girl? :(

Yeah, that was some nice trickery.

In one corner we have Klaus, weighing in as the most badass Vampire of Vampires. And in the other Corner, we have Bonnie the Witch, weighing in at hundred dead witches riding her ass and able to kill Klaus with a flick of her mind!

It's shaping up to really be something, isn't it? I'm looking forward to it!

I don't post reactions to it, because I would literally be repeating back every line or facial expression

Haha I totally do exactly this and I DON'T CARE. HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY.

I love Ben's geekitude. IT IS PERFECT. HE IS PERFECT.

We've already talked about TVD, but this this this all over the place.

I haven't watched this week's Community yet either. I miss being excited about it. The only thing that has improved this season is their use of Troy.

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY INDEED. There is nothing about that show that isn't joyful.

I...think Ben may be my ideal guy? I mean, I have lots of "ideal guys" from watching TV and stuff. But I kind of want to marry him and spend the rest of our lives watching Star Wars and such.

I miss being excited about it. The only thing that has improved this season is their use of Troy.

This is exactly how I feel.

Way back in S1 when it looked like he might have actual character development! But he's still the same guy he was

Heh. I sort of understand intellectually where you're coming from, but I really don't see it that way. Damon has 150+ years of serious emotional/psychological damage. He's not going to "get better", or good, in just this relatively short amount of time. Especially when he's recently experienced a string of fresh traumas (Katherine coming back and confirming his worst fear; discovering that the "switch" isn't real after all; Rose dying). I get that the "one step forward, two steps back" characterisation doesn't work for many, but I disagree that it's bad writing? If he were growing any faster than this, I would actually find it bizarre and implausible.

Haha, you know I agree with you (we are OF ONE MIND) but... word. Emotionally, he is super complex, and I feel like so many people just want to take him at face value, even though it's obvious (to me) that there are so many layers of depression and isolation and pain that he's covering up, and the surface is just an act. He is possibly the most damaged character on television, and I'd personally be disappointed if he just suddenly turned good.

Worrrrrd.

Though, idk, IA with Lauren that the writers sometimes go overboard with the Damon-angst, which leads to him being not as sympathetic. But, I mean, I can't blame Damon for that. What retains my sympathy is the fact that the audience can see how messed up he is - we get the full blast of the self-loathing - but nobody else does.

I also balk at the idea of buying into the good!Stefan/bad!Damon dichotomy -- that's pretty much exactly what Damon himself tries to reinforce, so... I defy his self-destructive desire to be hated, lol. *pets Damon*

Ha, yeah. I think the writers are definitely trying to make him sympathetic with all the angsting, which sometimes backfires. But he doesn't have to be sympathetic to be well-developed. I can't say I always find Damon likable, but I'm always interested in his character arc.

I also balk at the idea of buying into the good!Stefan/bad!Damon dichotomy

Word. And in a way, it's similar to the false Angel/Spike dichotomy in BtVS fandom.

lol, I just think some of the angsting has been really badly written though. Like, that "I'm not human" scene was pretty much just good for Ian, who rose above the very unsubtle script.

But he doesn't have to be sympathetic to be well-developed. I can't say I always find Damon likable, but I'm always interested in his character arc.

Word. No matter how unlikeable he is, he's still one of the most developed characters on the show (if not the most). (Though, developed character =/= character growth, which is probably where some fans' frustration lies.) Still, I can never bring myself to hate Damon, purely because of that false dichotomy thing. And I totally see the Spike/Angel comparison. Both (dichotomies) are rubbish. Ugh, fandom.

Though, developed character =/= character growth, which is probably where some fans' frustration lies.

True. But isn't that the same complaint people have about S6 Buffy? She doesn't get over it ("it" being, you know, clinical depression and DEATH) quickly enough, that it's one step forward, two steps back, etc.

And I get why people don't want to watch someone be stuck in a rut. Emotional pain is unpleasant and no fun to watch, but if they're going to take a character to that place, I'd rather they be realistic about it.

Preach. Though, haha, now that you mention it, both ~downward spirals have involved abuse of romantic interests. Which is, you know, a valid reason to dislike the story choice.

Nonetheless, I still prefer honest ugliness to contrived happiness any day. No apologies.

think the writers are definitely trying to make him sympathetic with all the angsting, which sometimes backfires. But he doesn't have to be sympathetic to be well-developed. I can't say I always find Damon likable, but I'm always interested in his character arc.

This I understand and can agree on. It's the writers and the shows' and the fandom's attitude to Damon that pisses me off, not really Damon himself, if that makes sense.

No, this is an interesting point. I think where I differ is that I'm somehow separating the two completely in my head, lol. The weird thing about most of Damon fandom is that they don't even seem to understand the dude they worship. Like, this "Damon totes deserves Elena"/"is a better man than Stefan" business. Hey? It's like, you realize Damon doesn't even believe this, right? So, people Not Getting It ironically serves to increase my sympathy for the Damon I know, because it becomes really evident that in a way, he's not even good enough for most of his fans if they have to idealize the hell out of him.

That totally makes sense to me. And usually I can separate the character from the way fandom approaches him--BtVS fandom used to be all POOR WOOBIE SPIIIIKE BUFFY'S SUCH A BITCH TO HIM, and I just sort of rolled my eyes and moved on. I guess what hangs me up about Damon is that I feel like the writers want me to be sympathetic to his actions? Like, he's ripping some girl's throat out, and I'm supposed to be OH POOR DAMON HE'S IN SO MUCH PAAAAAAIN. And it all be okay? When it's clearly not? And that I'm supposed to think the way he treats Elena at this point is romantic? Which I totally don't, because he's way too controlling. But I'm fine with him being evil. That's cool, as long as I don't feel like I'm expected to think it's okay.

My ideal scenario for Damon and Elena--and this is where I honestly thought it was going last season, and this is why I shipped it--is for them to become friends--all romantic overtures off the table and him to dial back on the controllingness. And for him to become good, if he's going to, via their friendship but also his friendships with other people. And then they can go there with Damon/Elena. But I just won't believe an Elena who seriously considers being with Damon at this point. He's too unrepentant. And she shouldn't be with him now, really--she's way too practical for that. Sort of like how Buffy wasn't going to be with Spike in S5--it took S6 and her complete breakdown and then S7 and his soul to make all of that happen. And I don't believe most Spuffy fics that take place in a pre-S6 world. I may enjoy them, but I don't believe them. I'm at that point with Damon and Elena. If this love triangle becomes more explicit and more on her part, I won't believe it. The writers haven't earned that yet.

Obviously, I have lots of complicated feelings on this. So while I totally see where you're coming from, I'm at a completely different place than I was in S1, and I kind of hate it. Hopefully the writers will make it work for me. :D

Haha, I actually agree with most of what you're saying!

Like, he's ripping some girl's throat out, and I'm supposed to be OH POOR DAMON HE'S IN SO MUCH PAAAAAAIN.

Yeah, I get that. I was just complaining to

eowyn_315 up there somewhere about the writing in "The Descent". I think Ian S. actually does a lot to make Damon less ~romantic and more menacing than possibly the writers originally conceptualise. (Though, there's no stopping fandom, unfortunately.) And the thing is, I do sympathise a lot with Damon, but I don't need him to be written in an overtly sympathetic way for that.

Your ideal D/E scenario is mine, too! I'm not in any hurry at all to see them getting together anytime soon. The only way I would buy that, actually, is if Elena got turned. Or got seriously shady in some fashion. I seriously question the sanity of anyone who thinks Damon is remotely capable of sustaining a functional, equal relationship at this point. Actually, history shows he's never been able to do that, so.

I will say that Damon's recent controlling behaviour is purely for the sake of consequentialism. With this current Klaus situation, he genuinely believes his methods are the most likely to be successful (unlike Stefan and Elena's "save everyone" approach). So, in a typically twisted Damon way, he's doing what he thinks is the right thing. I also genuinely don't believe he's doing any of this with the aim to win Elena over. I think he's quite resigned to the fact that it'll always be Stefan. Like, if Damon already had Elena, he wouldn't need to be this ruthless about trying to save her life - because he wouldn't be so lacking in power in their relationship. Does that make sense? At this point, he thinks that playing "the bad guy" and pissing her off is necessary to do what needs to be done. I'm not so sure he's got the right idea - but I imagine that that if they do beat Klaus, it'll be because they all compromised and combined their different strategies. Actually, one thing I really respected about the writing in "The Last Dance" was how it was impossible to completely side with either method.

So, idk, I feel like the actual direction they're taking Damon in is accurate, and sense-making. But, like you said, the tone is what's making it dubious.

The only way I would buy that, actually, is if Elena got turned. Or got seriously shady in some fashion.

Yes! I never thought I would say this back in S1 (when Lauren's ideal scenario was totally mine, too), but now I kind of want Damon/Elena to be S6 Spuffyish - in the sense that the relationship brings out Elena's darker nature and is not intended to be something healthy and stable.

The problem I have with Stefan/Elena (we have discussed this) is that I don't think they do enough to acknowledge Stefan's darkness. In a lot of ways, he's actually not all that different from Damon. I think Elena needs to confront that, but she and Stefan work so hard to keep darkness out of their relationship, it's almost a kind of denial. Damon would let her explore it - probably with catastrophic results, but Elena would understand Stefan better for having experienced it, I think.

I kind of want Damon/Elena to be S6 Spuffyish - in the sense that the relationship brings out Elena's darker nature and is not intended to be something healthy and stable.

OMGMETOO. Haha, which is funny, 'cause I've seen a lot of people hoping that it doesn't go that way, and I'm like, BUT IT CAN'T HAPPEN ANY OTHER WAY. (Or, idk, maybe the writers will surprise me.) I mean, I LIKE that D/E is now that pairing, the one the writers don't pull punches with. (Because they don't pull punches with Damon.)

I've been contemplating on how Stefan/Elena seems to be based on the light in the other person, and how they're together because they help each other to be better people. Elena loves Stefan (romantically) for the good in him, and doesn't dwell on the bad -- but she seems to love Damon regardless of whether it's right or wrong. Like, in a weird way, I think Damon has something from Elena that Stefan doesn't have - because, Stefan goes out of his way to do right by Elena, but Damon fucks up constantly, and she still won't give up on him? Yeah, I definitely don't blame Stefan for being threatened.

And I mean, if Katherine is Stefan's ~dark shadow, then Damon must be Elena's. They can bring out the best in each other, but they're just as capable of bringing out the worst. Elena's done a lot of nurturing for Stefan in his bad moments, but... what about Elena's bad moments? I somehow can't see her being able to let that all hang out with Stefan, because she's already been established as his savior or whatever (by convincing him to keep living, etc.) - but it's not the same with Damon, because the one thing that's become clear is that she can't save him. So, if/when Elena goes off the deep end (and it's gotta happen eventually), it'll be Damon she turns to for understanding.

Haha, we have totally taken over this post with our Damonizing. (Sorry, Lauren!)

I've been contemplating on how Stefan/Elena seems to be based on the light in the other person, and how they're together because they help each other to be better people. Elena loves Stefan (romantically) for the good in him, and doesn't dwell on the bad -- but she seems to love Damon regardless of whether it's right or wrong.

YESSSSSSS. Exactly. I am getting whiffs of Buffy/Angel/Spike again, which I don't like to say because I like Stefan, lol, and I think their relationship is way more grounded than Buffy/Angel. But Stefan and Elena both have that same burden of feeling like they have to be good for the other. There's a responsibility in that, pressure to hide the less appealing parts of yourself, to be worthy of the pedestal the other person has put you on. Buffy never felt the need to do that with Spike, because he's evil, so who is he to judge her? And I can definitely see that happening with Elena and Damon.

haha, okay, I just made a post of Damonising rambliness just now (yes, another one), so we can get off Lauren's journal now. lol forever.

I guess? I just can't help comparing him to, say, Spike or John Mitchell. I feel like those shows know that when their vamp is doing something bad it's bad. TVD seems to want me to find things about Damon romantic. They didn't do that in S1 so much, which is why I liked him then. If they went back to that approach, I'd like him again--I WANT to. I really do. But the tone of the show is ruining it for me.

But I understand what you're saying, too.

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