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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2011-01-19 07:49 pm

Just for the record....

I just finished Buffy Season 8 #40 and I kind of loved it madly and I think I'm going to actually read Season 9.

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Yeah.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2011-01-20 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, I'm not even sure now. Really. Because...

It feels like Joss lined up all the suitors who people thought would be better for Buffy and then he KNOCKED THEM DOWN. Xander? Nope! He's with her sister now and that'd be extra gross. Angel? Nope! She can't even look him in the face anymore and I don't think they can come back from this because Buffy and Angel relied on the fantasy versions they had of each other. Riley? Still happily married, you guys. DUH.

Then there's Buffy and Spike. And it's like Buffy has all these feelings and fantasies and things she's not saying and he's totally oblivious. And it's the inverse of their relationship in the past where he was the one yearning and she was oblivious. And like--this is how you get people rooting for Spike and Buffy. At least, this is how you get them rooting for the 'ship if you're sympathetic to Buffy. Because now she's the one yearning and he's the one off doing his own thing. And isn't this perfect?

I know it's wrong and Joss won't go there, but why does it look like Joss is setting up the Spike and Buffy Love Story 2.0? Like they're gonna get it right this time. It feels like Joss is writing the other dimension of their love story. Where she's the pursuer. First, she's all "oh god no, please no" to realize she's still this into him and she thinks vampires should be a turnoff for her because look what happened with Angel. LOOK WHAT JUST HAPPENED. So she's gonna be in denial and he's gonna keep showing up and she's gonna keep wanting him and he's gonna fly off. And as his ship flies off, she'll think, "Alone. Every night."

She's alone because he left. Everyone else is paired off and she's alone because he's not there. Seriously though everyone is paired off. Willow is being true to her new love, Aluwyn, mourning that loss. Dawn and Xander are down. Faith and Angel have paired off. Giles is gone. :( And who's left? Buffy. Alone. And Spike flying off.

Oh crap. I need to stop thinking thoughts.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2011-01-20 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
My belief in all that you're saying and the way it looks is at complete war with what I know of Joss and his relationship to...relationships and to shippers. I AM SO TORN. Because I totally agree that that would be the thing to do. To go there, and to do it right--that seems obvious to me, and even people who never shipped it before are liking them now. But on the other hand...it's Joss.

TORN.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2011-01-20 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
I know. I know. But... why does it look like he's doing this? I DON'T KNOW.

I think Joss might be coming off the fence regarding his love of Bangel and Spuffy equally. Like, he basically ripped Bangel apart in Season 8. And the way he portrayed Bangel in #36 was drenched in satire and over-the-top grossness. And then I think about how Joss would always come in and rewrite the Spuffy scenes (like Hell's Bells, just talking about this on Gabs' journal) and also JANE ESPENSON was in the room planning Season 9 and I think...

What if Joss has fully converted? And we've already got Jane in the room. And like...

I think Joss might be coming off the fence because he's all FUCK IT THESE ARE MY COMICS. Like he no longer cares if he's pissing us off. He's been pissing us off for four years now and he's all LOL I DON'T CARE I NEVER LIKED BANGEL I PORTRAYED IT AS UNHEALTHY AND DESTRUCTIVE--WHY WEREN'T YOU PAYING ATTENTION?

THIS IS BAD THOUGHTS. THERE IS NO PROOF. I DON'T EVEN CARE THOUGH.
Edited 2011-01-20 02:29 (UTC)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2011-01-20 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
EMMIE QUIT GIVING ME HOPE! HOPE IS BAD! HOPE HURTS! THIS IS SO BAAAAD!

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2011-01-20 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
AND HE WROTE THAT SCENE. THAT PERFECT SCENE. BECAUSE THEY'D SCREWED IT UP.

He really does right by our ship, doesn't he? In a lot of ways.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2011-01-20 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just sayin', Jane and Joss write my favorite Spuffy. My top ten Spuffy moments? Written by them. And Jane's in the room for Season 9. WHAT UP.

He really does right by our ship, doesn't he? In a lot of ways.

I think he does. I do.
Edited 2011-01-20 02:39 (UTC)

[identity profile] boot-the-grime.livejournal.com 2011-01-22 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. Yes. I think you're right. :)

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2011-01-22 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
A part of me wonders if Joss doesn't kinda resent the Buffy & Angel True Love Forever. I mean, he wanted to kill Angel at the end of Season 2 and he brought him back for the networks. And so I wonder if that True Love deal feels like this contrivance in a way.

[identity profile] boot-the-grime.livejournal.com 2011-01-22 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
Word to everything! Exactly how I've been feeling. :) <3

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2011-01-22 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Riiiiiiiiight. <3