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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2010-12-14 11:50 am

Annoyance of the day:

People who flat-out say that Buffy didn't love Spike despite the fact that she said she did.

She said she did. The only reason we have to believe that she didn't is one thing Spike said, and since when do people believe anything that comes out of Spike's mouth? Boy can speak the truth that no one else will, but he also says a ton of b.s., and everyone knows it.

I just hatehatehatehatehatehate all of these people sitting around telling a woman (and it would be a woman--if a man said, it I think a lot less people would disagree with her) who finds it nearly impossible to say the words "I love you" even to people she regards as family (remember "Intervention"? That's canon) that she doesn't love someone when she said she did.

I don't have a problem with people quibbling over the nature of her love. You can argue that she didn't love him romantically or as much as she did Angel or whatever (I would disagree with the first one and re: the second, I would remind you that, as [livejournal.com profile] the_royal_anna says, we don't love in amounts. We love in ways). That's legit. But to say, flat-out, that she didn't love him even though she says she did takes agency away from Buffy in a way that I am entirely uncomfortable with and that DRIVES ME CRAZY, OKAY. If she had said she loved Riley (she didn't, did she?), I would be pissed at people saying she didn't love him, either. Uuuugh why does this annoy me so much?

[identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com 2010-12-14 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I always kind of envisioned them being together as well as being close to Claire and Aaron (because I can't see Kate not being close to Aaron either. By that point he was as much her child as Claire's.)

[identity profile] mollivanders.livejournal.com 2010-12-14 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
If you're interested in post-island stories, [livejournal.com profile] valhalla37 wrote an excellent one that's Claire centric but talks about the dynamics of those who left the island.

http://valhalla37.livejournal.com/41509.html#cutid1

But totally agree on Aaron being Kate's as much as Claire's :) The finale solidified that.

[identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com 2010-12-14 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved how the connection that 'awoke' Kate... was Aaron. :) (And clearly, given the limbo, Miles and Sawyer must've hung out post-Island as well. :)
Edited 2010-12-14 19:11 (UTC)

[identity profile] mollivanders.livejournal.com 2010-12-14 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
The amount which I want Miles and Sawyer to be buddy cops after the island is unfair. I mean... that has to happen, right? :D And yeah, that's what I was referring to with Kate and Aaron. Though I've suddenly become a huge Miles/Claire shipper in the aftermath of the finale - go figure.

ETA: Would you like to be friends? We already share some interests but there's also Being Human and Mad Men and FNL :)
Edited 2010-12-14 19:22 (UTC)

[identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com 2010-12-14 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
The amount which I want Miles and Sawyer to be buddy cops after the island is unfair. I mean... that has to happen, right?

Absolutely, positively had to! The two conmen who imagine themselves as cops was awesome. And there simply had to be a real friendship there because otherwise why was the connection so important? Sawyer actually confessed his vendetta to Miles. That's pretty freakin' huge.


Would you like to be friends? We already share some interests but there's also Being Human and Mad Men and FNL :)


I thought we already were. Friend me! :)

[identity profile] mollivanders.livejournal.com 2010-12-14 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I think we've just crossed so many times we forgot to :) Added!