So.

[lirazel]

I watched the first few episodes of Caprica. I found myself mostly reading Jezebel articles while I did so, which is a pretty good indication that it wasn't working for me and I wasn't connecting to it.

I was amused by the idea of the Adamas being in the mafia. That was pretty epic. And it's nice enough to look at. But I felt nothing for the characters. Plus, it's got the same over-the-topc serious nature of BSG, except that in BSG it's forgivable because ALL OF HUMANITY HAS BEEN DESTROYED and also Gaius was around to funny things up. Over-the-top grim for its own sake (or to prove how this is Serious! Art!) usually doesn't work for me.

[eta] I don't mind dark or angsty, though: keep in mind that S6 is my favorite BtVS season. I just have to care about the characters themselves not because they're angsty but for other reasons and then I can suffer with them through the angst. If that makes sense.

So now it's your turn to convince me that OMG I HAVE TO WATCH THIS SHOW. That it's worth my time and energy, that there are characters I'll actually care about. Also that it won't make me feel like the show thinks I'm stupid--or a potential terrorist--for being religious (it seemed to be heading that way to me).

Note: James Marsters is hot and evil in it is a good and convincing point, but it isn't enough. There's gotta be more. Also, you know how I am: if there's something I can ship hardcore, I'll probably be there.

Also: more answers to the fic-meme to come! I love you all and will tell you which of your fics I love, never fear!

Comments

[anythingbutgrey.livejournal.com]

i know, i am so crushed. I WOULD I WOULD but the characters just don't speak to me like everyone on bsg did. the writing is excellent, the characters are well built, but all i do is sit and wonder where kara thrace is. this was my problem with skins gen 2 also. i just can't move on well. and the characters just aren't as dynamic as they were on bsg. idek let me gifspam you with sad bsg gifs so i can mourn my loss:






AND MOSTLY I'M JUST LIKE



I CAN'T TAKE MY LIFE WITHOUT THIS SHOW.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

That scene was flat-out fantastic writing. And yeah, it makes me very uncomfortable but WHOA! And then at the end where she says that she knew when he handed her the gun that it was blanks I was all OH NO SHE DI'INT. Wow. I haven't used that phrase in like forever. That was like 2007 right there.

YOU HAVE THE BEST CUSS WORDS EVER EVER EVER. I LIKE TO CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE THEM.

[alwaysjbj.livejournal.com]

I'm with you, I can't find anything about the show that makes me WANT to watch it...have been watching for JM, but I don't know how much longer I will continue to do so. Not only do I have absolutely no empathy for any of the characters, I actually find the majority of them to be annoying.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

YOU SNUCK A KISS IN THERE AT THE END, NAUGHTY GIRL.

And Helo/Athena for me!

I love you and your always-appropriate gifs.

But yeah: I don't think I'll ever watch Skins 2.0. I just don't think I could handle it. I don't move on well, either.

I need dynamic characters, too. *sigh* Why can't there be more really good TV RIGHT NOW?

[ava-leigh-fitz.livejournal.com]

Oh I have absolutely no problem saying when I think something is done badly - it's not discrediting the rest of it but just saying, 'good job, plz 2 b doing better'.

Ugh, over on whedonesque?

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Um, yes. ;D I have no desire to watch it: it felt like homework.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Right. I'll be critical all over the place and then go back to loving what I love.

How did you know? Bane of my existence, right? Also in real life, though, too. *sigh*

[anythingbutgrey.livejournal.com]

IT WAS A SAD MOMENT. THE EMOTIONAL VULNERABILITY WAS OFF THE CHARTS. I AM SO SAD.

skins 2.0 was shit i can't talk about it. BUT I MISS GOOD TV. my parents love caprica, but for me it's not there yet. one day perhaps perhaps? i hope. THE WRITING IS SMART I LOVE SMART WRITING but it just doesn't click. needs moar ships.

[anythingbutgrey.livejournal.com]

THIS ICON IS STUNNING.

[anythingbutgrey.livejournal.com]

this.

okay done stalking.

[alwaysjbj.livejournal.com]

I have to admit, I didn't like the new BSG either...for much the same reasons. I didn't care about any of the characters and I found the show to be quite irritating.

Given that JM is in Caprica, I was really hoping to like it. Alas, so far the only thing I've liked about it is his performance... he does evil so well! lol

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

AW! SAD!

Okay, now I'm really glad I didn't watch it. Really, really glad. 'Cause I kinda thought: Effy, she's interesting. Maybe one day...? But no. It's better this way.

It is really, really sad when the best thing on television right now is a SITCOM. I mean, I don't even LIKE sitcoms, and I'm all up on Community (which is a 'shipper's paradise) but it is the only show on right now that I'm that dedicated to.

I LOVE SMART WRITING, TOO.

And everything ever needs moar ships always.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

IT'S THE STORY OF MY LIFE.

[ava-leigh-fitz.livejournal.com]

I mean avatar!Zoe has to cope with being an avatar and having someone else's memories that feel like her own as well as pretending not to exist. Fair dues in my opinion. Original Zoe? Her problems consisted of her parents being parents and her dad working for the government. Not exactly much to rail against.

I definitely don't think that's the case with Daniel. You can understand what he's doing and why he's doing it but it doesn't make the basically mental torture okay and on some level he sort of knows that. Also in the case of the deaths caused by the MCP theft, you eventually get Amanda's reaction - though understated - and you know that no matter what, what happened isn't okay.

I know right? I mean, she's smart and talented, she stood up and admitted her daughter's fault to the entire planet, she stands up on national television to say that despite that she loved her daughter and combined with what we find out about her own background, it's amazing she manages to keep herself together for so long.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Stalk me always. Only you.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I definitely didn't love BSG as much as some people did. There were things I loved very, very much, it had smart writing (most of the time), but it wasn't the be-all-end-all of TV for me like it was for some people. The tone of it wasn't my favorite. So I understand where you're coming from.

[ava-leigh-fitz.livejournal.com]

OH MY GOD DON'T WATCH SKINS 2.O SERIOUSLY SO BAD. I have watched perhaps a total of three episodes (and one only for the lesbians because yay confronting sexuality!) and yeah no. Also I will never understand the Freddy/Effy thing, he seems like such a nice bastard - you know that kind the one that loveslovesloves you but only thinks about you in terms of him?

Also Effy is much less interesting when she speaks. Fact.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that definitely sounds cool, what they're doing with Zoe.

You can understand what he's doing and why he's doing it but it doesn't make the basically mental torture okay and on some level he sort of knows that. I kind of love that.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

I WILL NOT I PROMISE.

Yes: I know what you mean.

Also Effy is much less interesting when she speaks. Fact.
Hahaha! I can imagine this easily.

[ava-leigh-fitz.livejournal.com]

I have a feeling it was that moment where the show kind of found what it was meant to do? Like 'ohhhhhhh, that's what we're being: dark, creepy and about robots. cool'. HAHAHAHHA I LIKE 2007 LAUREN, IT'S ENTERTAINING.

THEY ARE RATHER EXCELLENT WORDS, I CANNOT LIE.

Also, I was thinking about this the other day, in about a month it will have been two years since we met in London - how incredibly weird.

[ava-leigh-fitz.livejournal.com]

Loving something doesn't mean you can't think it's doing something wrong when it so clearly is.

That was pretty much it yes, usually if there's fanwank it's on Whedonesque. But sorry to hear it bled over into RL too. That's never, ever fun.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

If it does that in the future--yeah, I'll definitely think it's worth another chance. I'M GLAD I ENTERTAIN YOU!

That is so, so strange. Gah, time is weird. I think that this means that I need to go there again or you need to come here. Just because.

[anythingbutgrey.livejournal.com]

♥!

[ava-leigh-fitz.livejournal.com]

EXCELLENT. YOU MISS NOTHING I SWEAR.

The Effy thing makes me so sad because legit, my favourite episode of Skins is S2 'Effy' because it's the most wonderful episode. The musical theme, the fairy tale analogies, the way that one young girl is taking on all of this responsibility - wonderful.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Exactly.

I should just stick to lj, my happiest of happy places. Yeah, there's this Nice Guy (TM) (who thankfully has no interest in me) who I've been friends-ish with for a while, and he said a load of really privileged things re: race, and I took him to town about it, and then he said I should "be careful with the phrase 'privileged white male.' It has dangerous implications."

And I was all WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SERIOUS? And then I launched off into a big long tirade (this was all on facebook, obvs) about how privilege is facts, yo (and I named all the ways I am) and that it's good to be called on it when you're blind to it and basically get over yourself.

And I haven't heard from him since. But since he was one of those people who always sets himself up as the victim in every circumstance and seems incapable of understanding that other people's lives might be harder than his, even if he never speaks to me, it'll be no great loss. It may make get-togethers with mutual friends awkward, but whatever. I've tried for years to enlighten him, and he just refuses to ever listen AND YET HE THINKS HE'S SO PROGRESSIVE. GRRRR!

Obviously, I still have rage about this. Sorry for rambling.