I'm a bit spoiled: here on lj, I move in circles where whenever I disagree with someone, we have balanced arguments where we aren't trying to convince each other but just explain our positions. It just makes for a very safe feeling, so when I venture out, it's jarring.
I've never experienced TWOP (which I understand to be kind of rough at times), but I'm certain whedonesque would shine in comparison. My problem with whedonesque is more often when I criticize something from a gender or racial perspective, people get nasty. That sours some of the experience for me because, again, most of the people I interact with on lj would either agree with me or be respectful in disagreement. It's just different.
And oh yes! I love S7!Buffy as well!
I have to admit that I've never really cared much either way about either Xander or Willow--though I like Xander a lot in S7, strangely enough; I think in the earlier seasons he reminded me too much of a Nice Guy (TM) and that stuck with me, so it took him completely outgrowing that for me to like him--so I still don't much care about their stories in S6 personally, but I can totally understand why they're so compelling to others. I mean, leaving my disinterest in Willow totally aside, she's got a well-crafted arc. Just like I don't care a thing about Wes over on AtS, I can still admire the character development.
Anyway! All that to say that though I still don't care much about them in S6, I think their arcs are well crafted, and everyone else I connect with profoundly.
I definitely don't agree with him about everything on DH; I find some stories/characters/episodes really, really compelling. I just think it's one of the most uneven shows I've ever seen, ricocheting back and forth between awesome and boring/bad, sometimes within the same episode or scene. So a few of the things Hellmouthguy has said made me go, "Yeah, I agree."
I think the thing about Joel Mynor is, we're supposed to think what he does is repulsive (and I hope others do) but at the same time recognize the human impulse that drives him to do it. It's very similar to S6, actually: just taking Giles, I think he does the absolutely wrong thing in leaving Buffy when she needs him most, but it's a very human thing he did. I personally think it's so, so important to recognize that every human being is capable of great acts of sacrifice and love and courage and hope, but they're also equally capable of profound evil. It's all about the choices we make. I'm a big believer in free will.
I do think part of the Faith thing is the hot thing (just like there are Spike fans who woobiefy him and blame everything on Buffy, which is just ridiculous).
ome people don't take woman-on-man violence as seriously as man-on-woman violence, because it has fewer real-world triggers. Absolutely. And that's another connection: if Spike had done to Buffy what Willow did to Tara? If Xander had done it to Anya? I think people would be a whole lot less likely to forgive. (Of course, Angel did do something similar to Buffy--and I've really seen that as the nail in the coffin of the relationship between those two, myself--so I could be wrong.)
I do think that Faith wins a lot of points for turning herself into jail Yeah. I'm never gonna connect to Faith, as she's pretty much my polar opposite in every way, but I like her a whole lot better on AtS and in BtVS S7 than I ever did before, and I think the softening has to do with her turning herself in.
there are a few "I don't think anyone could disagree that the show was at its best in season two" though and those drive me batty. OH YES. I see that often.
I loved Gabs' Willow meta. It was very well done indeed, and I was enthralled by it, which is saying something for someone who could care less about Willow!
Oh please do. And I hope to see you around. :) Well, I already saw that you've reviewed a movie starring Myrna Loy and William Powell (though I haven't read the review yet), so I think there might be something for me over there. I'm the world's biggest Thin Man fan. :)
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I've never experienced TWOP (which I understand to be kind of rough at times), but I'm certain whedonesque would shine in comparison. My problem with whedonesque is more often when I criticize something from a gender or racial perspective, people get nasty. That sours some of the experience for me because, again, most of the people I interact with on lj would either agree with me or be respectful in disagreement. It's just different.
And oh yes! I love S7!Buffy as well!
I have to admit that I've never really cared much either way about either Xander or Willow--though I like Xander a lot in S7, strangely enough; I think in the earlier seasons he reminded me too much of a Nice Guy (TM) and that stuck with me, so it took him completely outgrowing that for me to like him--so I still don't much care about their stories in S6 personally, but I can totally understand why they're so compelling to others. I mean, leaving my disinterest in Willow totally aside, she's got a well-crafted arc. Just like I don't care a thing about Wes over on AtS, I can still admire the character development.
Anyway! All that to say that though I still don't care much about them in S6, I think their arcs are well crafted, and everyone else I connect with profoundly.
I definitely don't agree with him about everything on DH; I find some stories/characters/episodes really, really compelling. I just think it's one of the most uneven shows I've ever seen, ricocheting back and forth between awesome and boring/bad, sometimes within the same episode or scene. So a few of the things Hellmouthguy has said made me go, "Yeah, I agree."
I think the thing about Joel Mynor is, we're supposed to think what he does is repulsive (and I hope others do) but at the same time recognize the human impulse that drives him to do it. It's very similar to S6, actually: just taking Giles, I think he does the absolutely wrong thing in leaving Buffy when she needs him most, but it's a very human thing he did. I personally think it's so, so important to recognize that every human being is capable of great acts of sacrifice and love and courage and hope, but they're also equally capable of profound evil. It's all about the choices we make. I'm a big believer in free will.
I do think part of the Faith thing is the hot thing (just like there are Spike fans who woobiefy him and blame everything on Buffy, which is just ridiculous).
ome people don't take woman-on-man violence as seriously as man-on-woman violence, because it has fewer real-world triggers. Absolutely. And that's another connection: if Spike had done to Buffy what Willow did to Tara? If Xander had done it to Anya? I think people would be a whole lot less likely to forgive. (Of course, Angel did do something similar to Buffy--and I've really seen that as the nail in the coffin of the relationship between those two, myself--so I could be wrong.)
I do think that Faith wins a lot of points for turning herself into jail Yeah. I'm never gonna connect to Faith, as she's pretty much my polar opposite in every way, but I like her a whole lot better on AtS and in BtVS S7 than I ever did before, and I think the softening has to do with her turning herself in.
there are a few "I don't think anyone could disagree that the show was at its best in season two" though and those drive me batty. OH YES. I see that often.
I loved Gabs' Willow meta. It was very well done indeed, and I was enthralled by it, which is saying something for someone who could care less about Willow!
Oh please do. And I hope to see you around. :) Well, I already saw that you've reviewed a movie starring Myrna Loy and William Powell (though I haven't read the review yet), so I think there might be something for me over there. I'm the world's biggest Thin Man fan. :)