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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2012-07-16 02:44 pm

let's talk about the internet, y'all

So I'm the facebook generation. My freshman year of college, I distinctly remember a few days into the semester the announcement being made that our college was now going to have facebook access, and everybody freaked out, and I was sitting there going, "What even is that?" (This was fall of 2005.) This was back in the day when your college had to like register or something and you had to have a student email account to sign up. (TROLOLOLOL) Everyone immediately signed up and started using it way, way too much. Being me (natural contrarian you think I'm kidding but I'm not), I held out for several weeks, maybe even a couple of months until one of my friends sat down at my computer and signed me up for one. I played around with it some--I really, really loved when we got those buttons and you could send them to each other, do you remember those? Mine were all super geeky, and that was fun.

But I never cared that much about the site other than using it to look up names of people my friends were talking about who I couldn't put a face with. It was useful in that way, especially because at that time you had a network and so everyone at my college was on this network so I could find whoever I wanted to at any time. In a college atmosphere, it actually made a lot of sense if you wanted to figure out who that guy was that was always hanging around with that girl--if you knew someone's friends' names, you could find them pretty quickly. And then there were all those times where I heard a name over and over and finally looked that name up and realized it went with that face and had a big DUH moment. I viewed it mostly as a tool in figuring out who people were--which was, I believe, the point of a facebook.

Fast-forward seven years later (SEVEN YEARS? WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MY LIFE?) and I've still got an account, but I almost never use it. In fact, the only reason I keep it is so that I will be able to get in touch with people should I need to do that at some point in the future. I really only get on to check in on Big! Life! Events! with people--I like to look at wedding pictures now and then, and now my friends are all having kids, too, so there's baby pictures, though I only care to see them that first time (after that initial "Aww, look ___'s baby is real and has toes and stuff! Cute!" I don't particularly care about seeing more baby pictures). So all in all, I only log in about once a month at most. And I'm totally cool with that.

Because, y'all, my grandmother is on facebook. MY GRANDMOTHER. And various aunts and uncles and friends of my parents' and I just do not want to be involved in all that. That's not what I get on the internet to do. If I want to be with my family, I hang out with my family. If I'm on the internet, I want nothing to do with them.

But so many people do not feel this way, and I think it's because they're internet 2.0 users and I'm an internet 1.0 user, despite my age.

A couple of months ago, I read a truly wonderful book called You Are Not a Gadget: a Manifesto by Jaron Lanier. This guy is seriously a badass and I would vote for him for president.

Here's the blurb:

A programmer, musician, and father of virtual reality technology, Jaron Lanier was a pioneer in digital media, and among the first to predict the revolutionary changes it would bring to our commerce and culture. Now, with the Web influencing virtually every aspect of our lives, he offers this provocative critique of how digital design is shaping society, for better and for worse.

Informed by Lanier’s experience and expertise as a computer scientist, You Are Not a Gadget discusses the technical and cultural problems that have unwittingly risen from programming choices—such as the nature of user identity—that were “locked-in” at the birth of digital media and considers what a future based on current design philosophies will bring. With the proliferation of social networks, cloud-based data storage systems, and Web 2.0 designs that elevate the “wisdom” of mobs and computer algorithms over the intelligence and wisdom of individuals, his message has never been more urgent.


Anyway, the book is great and I highly recommend it if you have even the most basic understanding of the way the internet works. His first concern is totally humanity and wanting technology to serve us, not for it to dominate us, and that comes through the book in beautiful ways.

He talks a lot about web 1.0 and web 2.0 and while he focuses more on things like wikipedia, I honestly think the easiest way of differentiating between the two is pre-facebook internet and post-facebook internet. And facebook is so ubiquitous that I really don't think I need to get into it any deeper, which is, frankly, just scary.

So back to me (heh). The thing that, I believe, totally defines my relationship to the internet is that internet 1.0 was my home. I discovered fandom at about 13, and that's what got me into the internet. Before that, it was a tool: I used it to look things up, and we only had very slow dial-up at home (AOL!), so mostly I did that at school.

But fandom changed all that for me. I found people who wanted to talk about the things I wanted to talk about and who were just as interested in stupid little details about canon as I was, and I fell in love. These were the days of message boards and yahoo mailing lists and those tackytackytacky geocities/angelfire/whatever personal websites with horrifying yellow font on black backgrounds that played songs you hated whenever you clicked on them. It stopped being a tool and became, like, a clubhouse. Or I guess more a network of clubhouses, where you found people who had similar interests to yours and you hung out and talked about those things (or ficced about them or made art or had shipping wars).

When I think about the internet and what it's given me, those are still the terms I use. It's the friendships I've made with people I've never "met" in "real life" (whatever that means). It's using the wayback machine to find that fic that I read five years ago and has since been erased from the internet. It's my usernames--Lirazel, especially--and the fact that I have an online reputation, even if it's limited in its reach.

And I think that really is the major difference between me (and probably a lot of you) and the majority of my generation. They also started out viewing the internet as a tool, but what pulled them in wasn't something interests- and community-driven like fandom (obviously it was bigger than fandom: there were lovely little communities dedicated to, like, reading northern European epics and stuff. But they somehow had a fandom-type feeling, if that makes any sense). Instead, the first time they started using the internet as more than just a place to look up information or check email or (possibly) play games was when myspace and facebook hit the scene. Since those were the first websites they knew, they kind of set the tone for how they would approach the internet from there on out.

I think they're the people who are still perpetuating this idea of the internet being something totally different from "real life" and the two being in conflict. I mean, the rest of us have moved beyond that, right? When I talk about y'all, I don't say, "My internet friend so-and-so," I just call you my friend. The way we interact is different in some ways than with people I met through other means, but not in any of the ways that really matter. Honestly, I share a lot more with y'all than I do with anybody in my "real life" who isn't related to me. At this point my own experience has completely demolished any boundaries I once perceived between "real life" and the internet (I'm very glad, too).

But if you primarily use the internet in a facebook sort of way, where you know people in real life first and then use the internet to "connect" to people you already know--if that's your mindset--then I guess you might still think internet-first/only friendships are weird?

Of course, added to all of this is also the reason I refuse to use twitter: while I can see how it could be a useful thing (for instance, it seemed to be really powerful during the Arab Spring, and that's awesome, and I can see how organizations getting info out there could use it in interesting ways, too), for the most part I just find it annoying for individuals to use (unless they are pithy and hilarious, which, let's face it, most of us aren't). It pretty much promotes soundbyte types of conversations, it doesn't let you address things with nuance because of the word limit,

AND YET people love it, which baffles me. My generation seems to think that if it isn't being broadcast--if it isn't OUT THERE IN PUBLIC IN DETAIL that whatever they're experiencing isn't real. Like reality is determined by how willing you are to let everyone see what's going on. Like something is only real and legitimate and genuine if you're 100% open to sharing it with anyone and everyone. Like if something happens to you in private, it isn't real until it's validated by other people, a sort of audience of people who will give your experience meaning by acknowledging. And this has to do with reality tv, too, and the idea of fame as an end to itself (which isn't new, obviously, but I do think it's blown up in ways it never had before), and lots and lots of other things that have created this zeitgeist. I'm not blaming it just on facebook.

But I just cringe from that kind of approach to the internet, that kind of approach to life. And so I am endlessly annoyed by oversharing (which I may do with certain people in the confines of my flocked journal, but that is different than oversharing with EVERYONE) and life as a performance for other people and taking pictures at an event so you can put them on facebook being more important than being in the moment at that event because that event didn’t really happen unless we can document it and present it for other people’s consumption. It's like we value transparency as an end to itself, which I don't approve of--transparency in a lot of things is a very good things, especially when it comes to organizations. But when it comes to individuals? Not so much. Friendships are only possible because of privacy, because of secrets--because we get to decide how much about ourselves we reveal at what times and to whom. If everyone knows everything about everyone else, then you can't be closer to some people than to others. But I reveal certain parts of myself to my sister and certain parts to y'all and certain parts to my boss, and I keep things to myself, too, and that dance of revelation and concealment is what defines relationships. If we get rid of that, what do we have to offer each other? Nothing.

Which connects back to another thing I hate about web 2.0: this endless desire to CONNECT EVERYTHING UP. OH GROSS GO AWAY. I feel like web 1.0 really valued the idea of compartmentalizing your life through things like pseudonyms (one of my biggest pet peeves in life is people who mistake pseudonyms and anonymity THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING OMG) and even using more than one username at various places--if you were, say, a part of multiple online communities (fandoms, whatever) you totally had the freedom to decide if you wanted to use one username on all of those sites (thereby creating a sort of meta online identity) or to use different ones for each place or any degree in between. You had control over the level of interaction between sites you visited, you had control over who you were depending on what site you were on (and again: this all goes back to the idea that we are different people when we're in different company, that we change our behaviors and speech and degree of honesty to suit whatever community we are in AND THIS IS NOT A BAD THING, it is, in fact, really beautiful if used with integrity). And you could escape from the people in the real world who bugged you so much or who just didn't happen to want to share certain things with (facebook connect on every website ever just infuriates me. DON'T CROSS THE LINES).

Now the web is trying to turn into this big amorphous thing where you're just ACTUAL FIRST NAME ACTUAL LAST NAME no matter where you go, where people can "find" you no matter where you are (how terrifying is that? It's a small world after all INDEED and I can't imagine many things scarier than that). And the websites wrap it up in this rhetoric about "connection" and "finding your friends" but most of them do it either A) because they don't really think about it and don't realize they have other options or B) because this is what the advertisers looooove. All this fancy technology that can follow you around and gather all your data and see patterns and tailor their advertising to you directly and so make more money! Yay rah!

IT'S SCARY, OKAY?

Or at least it is to me, because I remember when this wasn't the default way of thinking, when this wasn't the way the internet world operated. So while I get really annoyed when a website demands that I have a facebook or twitter account to log in to their site (and I refuse to do it--that's the quickest way to lose my traffic!), my friends seem totally unfazed by it. I literally didn't know that you had to have a facebook or twitter account to sign up for pinterest until today, despite all my real life friends having one, because apparently that isn't important enough to be mentioned. I found out because one of my livejournal friends just discovered it and was annoyed, too! I just look at the world differently than people who didn't grow up on the internet in the world that I did.

I think all this is why I still feel most at home on livejournal, internet-wise, because to me it's so totally rooted in what internet 1.0 was. Many of the things that bug me most about tumblr (the site I use the most) are the very things that are most 2.0 about it (shitty, shitty decisions by the people who run it aside).

And right now I feel like a cranky old lady talking about the good old days, and I don't mean to imply that the internet was perfect back then, because there were terrible, terrible things then, too. People have always been people, and people have always been asses. It's just that I liked the default assumptions about what the internet was for and whole it should work a lot more back then than I like the ones now.

And I am 25! I am not an old woman! But when I venture outside of livejournal (especially onto tumblr), I so often feel like one. So I'm really interested in the thoughts of those of you who are younger than me--do you remember the internet before facebook? Do you feel like you belong in one world more than the other? Do you even know what I'm talking about? Do the old days sound good to you? What are the benefits of the new way of approaching the web? What am I missing that's awesome about it? [I'm not talking about capabilities here--streaming and downloading and things like that are AWESOME--I'm talking about the worldview with which you approach internet usage.]

And please, those of you who are the same age/older than I am, tell me you know what I'm talking about and that I didn't just word-vomit all this about nothing.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2012-07-16 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like I'm so deeply huddled into my internet 1.0 way of existing that I'm not even aware of 2.0.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-07-16 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I approve of this way of thinking! I know about it only second-hand, really. But talking to my sister or my friends so often I just don't understand because their way of approaching the internet is so very different than mine.
Edited 2012-07-16 20:37 (UTC)

[identity profile] just-ann-now.livejournal.com 2012-07-16 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
*wanders by from Friends-of-friends, stops to listen*

*STANDS AND APPLAUDS*

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-07-17 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)
*waves happily*

[identity profile] spunspider.livejournal.com 2012-07-16 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
this post!! i'm 2 years younger than you; i was a bit young for fandom at the time, but i absolutely agree with you, web 2.0 is suffocating and i'm still trying to manage it. many professional critics bitch about how easy it is to make a platform on the internet, for obvious reasons, and that's bullshit, but at the same time for me personally it becomes difficult. like, tumblr, i love tumblr for the pictures and bc it helps me to an extent in keeping in touch with what's going around bc i basically never use facebook. but ppl do things like use tags to post personal comments, even if it's just an 'omg', and all of that together and at such high velocity makes my head feel crowed, it's claustrophobic to be in the headspaces of so many ppl at the same time, even if only skimming them. that's what can get problematic about twitter, too.

i think ppl are overly harsh on twitter, bc many don't seem to realise that the 'what are you doing?' question is largely irrelevant to what ppl use it for. many ppl have locked accounts, so they're not open to the world. it's actually brilliant as a modified instant messaging program, bc ppl can zoom out and then chip in when they actually have something to say. many post links to long-form things, and if you have a twitter and you follow accounts that update ppl on when something long-form has been posted, sortof like a, it's such a convenient little thing – you can skim over 200 tweets in like a minute. and if you're a kpop fan it's a lifesaver (and for me, it's great for allowing me to completely block out the majority of obnoxious fandom).

facebook is a demon. nobody even has anything interesting to say! of course it has its benefits and it is wonderful for stuff like finding an old friend you'd lost touch with, but on the whole it's just so without spice. apart from drunk pics or w/e but that's not interesting for very long at all. the thing that pisses me off is that someone would rather fb message you than pick up the phone. which, again, a lot of ppl are busy, but even a text is better, surely. and i definitely agree about life being a performance. it also most definitely affects your brain's infrastructure, i read something about this. i've experienced this myself, i mean, i've unemployed for a while, and before i started my MA, during the throes of my twitter days, i literally started to think in tweets. ;\ which is good for pith, i mean, one some level it's just a study in the one-liner ain't it, but.
basically i'm not kiera knightley yet, she thinks even checking email is 'dehumanising', but i can sure as hell see where she's coming from.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-07-17 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
. like, tumblr, i love tumblr for the pictures and bc it helps me to an extent in keeping in touch with what's going around bc i basically never use facebook. but ppl do things like use tags to post personal comments, even if it's just an 'omg', and all of that together and at such high velocity makes my head feel crowed, it's claustrophobic to be in the headspaces of so many ppl at the same time, even if only skimming them

Absolutely. And there's always a debate about what to tag and what not to tag, and I feel like it's the ones of us who are web 1.0 who are saying: DO NOT TAG YOUR RPING, DO NOT TAG EVERY MOVIE THAT ACTRESS HAS BEEN IN, DO NOT TAG YOUR REACTION POSTS UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING OF SUBSTANCE, JUST STOP IT. And web 2.0 keeps on obliviously tagging everything and making it harder for those of us who want to focus on specific things.

I think twitter can be a useful resource, especially if you mostly use it to link to other things, but I still think it's the WORST PLATFORM EVER to try to have a serious conversation about anything in (and yet people keep trying to do it!).

It totally, totally affects your brain's infrastructure. I find myself repackaging what I'm experiencing within my own head as though it's something for other people to consume even when I know I'll never share it with anyone else, and I HATE it.
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[personal profile] silverusagi 2012-07-16 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with this post. And the way everything wants to be connected now is scary. JUST WHY.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-07-17 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
And the way everything wants to be connected now is scary. JUST WHY.

It's terrifying, isn't it?
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[personal profile] molly_may 2012-07-16 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Now the web is trying to turn into this big amorphous thing where you're just ACTUAL FIRST NAME ACTUAL LAST NAME no matter where you go, where people can "find" you no matter where you are

I HATE THIS. I'm older than you as you know, and therefore predictably an internet 1.0 user, but I know a lot of people who are 35+ who are internet 2.0 kinds of users, probably because they didn't really come to use the web much until Facebook. But I came in through fandom, and started commenting on message boards well over ten years ago, when it was common to use a pseudonym. And you know, I still use one. I like having my fandom identity separate from who I am as an employee or a family member; only people who share my interests need to know the depths of my obsessions.;) I don't have a Facebook or a Twitter account, and I've never been the least bit interested in either, because I guess I'm only interested in sharing so much of myself.

All this fancy technology that can follow you around and gather all your data and see patterns and tailor their advertising to you directly and so make more money!

And this is why I don't understand the comfort level so many people seem to have regarding sharing so much of their identities online. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU. Or, you know, Big Business is. I don't think it makes me a crazy paranoid freak to want to hold on to a little bit of privacy.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-07-17 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
but I know a lot of people who are 35+ who are internet 2.0 kinds of users, probably because they didn't really come to use the web much until Facebook.

Yes, absolutely. I should have mentioned this. Your online generation doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your real world one, though there is some overlap in patterns.

I like having my fandom identity separate from who I am as an employee or a family member; only people who share my interests need to know the depths of my obsessions

Exactly.

I love that you don't have facebook/twitter. I wish I could just bite the bullet and get rid of my facebook, though I'm told that it's impossible to ever actually delete it, which is TERRIFYING.

I am also a crazy paranoid freak, so at least we're in good company. The world is scary, basically.

[identity profile] ever-neutral.livejournal.com 2012-07-17 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
Amen to this post. I'm a few years younger than you, and so much worrrrrrrd. WHAT IS A FACEBOK (yes I misspelt that deliberately).

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-07-17 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
A FACEBOK IS THE WORST, THAT'S WHAT.

[identity profile] athena3062.livejournal.com 2012-07-17 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I relate to this post so much! I'm not much older than you and I feel like a dinosaur sometimes because I like compartmentalizing different parts of my life and not sharing every detail online. I found my way onto the internet for fandom reasons as well, which I think is why I have no interest in online games -- give me a fic archive or a new-to-me writer and I'm content. I also rarely use my facebook account but don't want to delete it because it's the only way some of my friends share information. There are so many social media/social networking sandboxes out there that I feel like I'm back in the dial-up days because I use less than seven.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-07-17 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope our way of approaching these things doesn't get phased out entirely. I hope there will always be those of us who cling to the old ways of doing things simply because I like those ways more.
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[personal profile] next_to_normal 2012-07-17 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
So with you on this. I have a slight amount of crossover (offline friends who read my journal) but for the most part, I'd much rather keep everything separate. Mainly because DO NOT WANT my real name attached to my fic in any way. And ugh, the Facebook and Twitter creep into EVERYTHING sucks. Although lately I have been feeling like maybe I should be more active on Facebook? Because that's where all my friends talk about stuff now, and if I don't check it, then I'm left out. :( It makes me cranky. Like, what happened to actual conversations?

The only reason I've considered getting a Twitter account lately is to follow celebrities that I think are cool and want to keep up with their stuff. I have zero interest in talking to my friends (online or off) on there, and I'm not clever enough to subject people to my 140-character musings.
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[personal profile] quinara 2012-07-17 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, you know I agree!
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[personal profile] snickfic 2012-07-27 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, wow. Lauren, you have really hit the nail on the head here in so many ways.

I mean, the rest of us have moved beyond that, right?

Yes. Yes, we have. *smishes friend Lauren, who happens to live in the Internet*

My generation seems to think that if it isn't being broadcast--if it isn't OUT THERE IN PUBLIC IN DETAIL that whatever they're experiencing isn't real. Like reality is determined by how willing you are to let everyone see what's going on. Like something is only real and legitimate and genuine if you're 100% open to sharing it with anyone and everyone. Like if something happens to you in private, it isn't real until it's validated by other people, a sort of audience of people who will give your experience meaning by acknowledging.

This is an incredibly insightful observation. Yes. This is how so many people view life nowadays, as a series of snapshots to be shared later, as something that must be validated by observation.

Friendships are only possible because of privacy, because of secrets--because we get to decide how much about ourselves we reveal at what times and to whom. If everyone knows everything about everyone else, then you can't be closer to some people than to others. But I reveal certain parts of myself to my sister and certain parts to y'all and certain parts to my boss, and I keep things to myself, too, and that dance of revelation and concealment is what defines relationships. If we get rid of that, what do we have to offer each other? Nothing.

It occurs to me that this idea of friendship being a series of secrets we share is partly why transparency from/with/of celebrities unnerves me. On one hand, I am delighted to read the tweet where SPN-actress-whom-I-ship-with-Sam flirts with Jared Padalecki on Twitter, which I'm positive she is fully aware is a kind of performance in its own right, and OTOH, I covet a more private life for these people in which they can spend fewer of their off-hours under the public microscope.

Anyway. This is a brilliant post.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-07-27 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, thanks! I'm really glad you enjoyed the post! And I'm so glad to see you back!

This is how so many people view life nowadays, as a series of snapshots to be shared later, as something that must be validated by observation.

Yes, yes. I hate it when I find myself doing it (mostly only mentally, but still), and yet the pull of it is very real.

It occurs to me that this idea of friendship being a series of secrets we share is partly why transparency from/with/of celebrities unnerves me

I totally understand this. I myself would hate to be a celebrity for this very reason. And yet most people don't seem to value privacy anymore, if their desire for fame is any indication. I don't know.

BTW, might you have some time to help me with some writing struggles at some point this weekend if I send you an email with some questions? It's about POV/characterization, and I think we'd be able to talk about it in an abstract sort of way since you don't know the characters. I know you're super busy, so it's totally cool if you're swamped.
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[personal profile] snickfic 2012-07-27 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure, I'd totally be up for discussing writing struggles! And this is an okay weekend for it, actually. Email away! (Speaking of, I still owe you a response to that other email. Oops.)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-07-27 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, it's not like I haven't left you waiting for responses a zillion times. No worries!

And thanks!