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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2012-02-01 05:57 pm

two things

+ Listening to coverage on NPR about how people from Connecticut (what do y'all call yourselves?) are split in their support of the Patriots vs. the Giants, I got bitter and pissed off. I shouldn't care. But I do. Because grown-ass adults can talk about "loathing" a team and talk about "redemption" when it comes to sports, and that is totally socially acceptable and nobody questions it. But if I was to go on any media outlet and talk using that same sort of language about ships or character arcs or the depth of my feelings about the stories I invest in, people would think I was weird and either mock or pity me.

I hate the world.

+ Okay, so apparently these ugly-crying gifs of KBell that I've been seeing around have something to do with sloths + Ellen? I really love KBell, so I kind of want to watch whatever this is, but sloths really, really freak me out? Like almost as much as komodo dragons, which are currently number one on my list of animals that freak me out (my list makes much more sense than my sister's, which is comprised of squirrels and fish. I don't know either). Something about the way they move is just scary as anything to me. So can I watch this video without being horrified? Can I close my eyes during the sloth parts and just watch the KBell parts, or is it mostly sloth parts? Ugh. Just writing the word grosses me out.

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[personal profile] snickfic 2012-02-02 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Kbell + sloths. No footage of actual sloths except for one still; you should be fine. It is... hilarious bordering on very very strange.

I think I must live a very sheltered existence, because no one ever laughs at me or mocks me for my investment in stories. I mean, sometimes my dad gets concerned that my priorities are in the wrong places, but then my dad has no patience with sports, either. I am sorry that you have been subjected to such. *hugs*

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, good. Stills I can (mostly) handle. I will watch right away!

Mostly the people who know about my fandom involvement don't care? But that's very few people. It's more the larger social context that bothers me--that whenever people involved in fandom are depicted in the media, they're losers who live in their parents' basement and don't know how to operate in the real world. And it's so false, but it taints everything, and it makes me angry.

[identity profile] madcap-shiny.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
+ AGREEEEEEEED. :( I wish fandom wasn't so weirdly disconnected from the ~real world~, ugh. /bitter corner of bitter

+ I think you should be okay with the KBell video! She talks about them during it but no actual sloths make an appearance; there's just photos of them that show up here and there. It's a seriously adorable video that is like 99% KBell just being precious and 1% pictures of sloths sometimes showing up, so I figure you are probably fine. :D

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
+ The perception seems to be sports = something normal people do; fandom = something weird people do. Even though I would argue that fandom makes MORE sense than sports, because stories are part of what make us human, and sports...are just entertainment. Also, I swear all of this is tied up in societal feelings about masculinity (sports as a replacement for war in a society where the average man will never go to war, etc.) and suchlike, which also makes me mad.

+ Just watched it! Mostly fine! I do not understand how she can be the way she is. I wish my surplus of emotions were that unrelentingly adorable.
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[identity profile] redsilverchains.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Anyone who laughs at "redemption" in relation to stories should BE pitied. :p

But seriously, I really want a non-mocking portrayal of a fandom geek. Western media, especially, seems to be cruel when it comes to "nerds".

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[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
So true!

But seriously, I really want a non-mocking portrayal of a fandom geek. Western media, especially, seems to be cruel when it comes to "nerds".

YES YES YES. "The Guild" comes closest, I think, both moth other depictions fails.

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I will be laughing about this for the rest of my life.

[identity profile] hkath.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Ugh, I know! I wish we could approach fandom in the same totally run-of-the-mill way people approach a play-by-play of last night's game. Can you imagine whole radio stations dedicated to fannish discussion? How awesome would that be?

I just watched the KBell clip, too, after hearing about it all day. SO ADORABLE. She makes me feel better about my own 3-to-7 scale, since I'm exactly the same. It's why I can't read Buffy fic in public places - it makes me too happy! LOL

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
wish we could approach fandom in the same totally run-of-the-mill way people approach a play-by-play of last night's game. Can you imagine whole radio stations dedicated to fannish discussion? How awesome would that be?

Oh, that would be so wonderful! What a world to live in!

I am so the same way, too! I felt a great affinity for her when I was watching that clip!

[identity profile] owenthurman.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
1. Citizens of Connecticut call themselves "Nutmeggers." Srsly.

2. Several commenters have already noted the connection of sports to masculinity but it's the particular kind of masculinity that makes it prestigious and important. After all, fantasy gaming is overwhelmingly male and that's even more outcast than fandom. Sports represents the competitive hierarchical version of masculinity always juggling for tribal dominance with violence and charisma.

There is literally nothing more prestigious in ape societies -- including human societies -- that putting down others for the sake of your own dominance in the hierarchy.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
Really? I have never heard that! That's kind of hilarious!

After all, fantasy gaming is overwhelmingly male and that's even more outcast than fandom. Sports represents the competitive hierarchical version of masculinity always juggling for tribal dominance with violence and charisma.

There is literally nothing more prestigious in ape societies -- including human societies -- that putting down others for the sake of your own dominance in the hierarchy.


This is so true it HURTS me. Ugh.

[identity profile] bobthemole.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 07:23 am (UTC)(link)
After all, fantasy gaming is overwhelmingly male and that's even more outcast than fandom. Sports represents the competitive hierarchical version of masculinity always juggling for tribal dominance with violence and charisma.

I was about to say comic book geeks seem to get more respect than fangirls, then realized gender must be behind that too.

[identity profile] green-maia.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
Citizens of Connecticut call themselves "Nutmeggers." Srsly.

???

We so do NOT!!!

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Haha! I will believe you--I'd never heard that before, but I was willing to go along with it. But I trust that you would know!

[identity profile] green-maia.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
:D

There are plenty of reasons to be ashamed to be from Connecticut (some of the greatest disparities in income in the country, for instance) - but that is not one of them!!

[identity profile] beloved-77.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
I always make sure to tell people that I just live in CT, but I'm not from here. I'm from Detroit; and yes, I'd rather they think that I've seen people shot in the street than think I'm from the place that The Stepford Wives was based on. :-P

[identity profile] green-maia.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
:-P

I tell people I'm from New England, since "Connecticut" tends to make people think Stepford Wives...which isn't fair, actually, since it's really only the
wealthy-towns-in-commuting-distance-from-NYC that are like that (the towns the Evil Wall Streeters go home to at night) - most of CT has no Stepford Wives vibe at all!!

The real shame of CT is that it does have those places of extreme wealth - and also three of the poorest cities in the country (Bridgeport, Hartford, and New Haven). The extreme disparities in income are terrible.

Also: I think one reason that people think "Stepford Wives" when they hear "Connecticut" is that so much of CT is indistinguishable from Massachusetts and Rhode Island. I grew up in a town east of New Haven that could easily be in MA or RI. That's why I usually say "southern New England" when people ask where I'm from - it actually gives a more accurate impression of my childhood, I think...


ETA: I think most of CT feels like either an extension of New York or an extension of Massachusetts. That's why the sports team thing is so split - people either identify with Boston or with NYC.

Edited 2012-02-03 12:47 (UTC)

[identity profile] beloved-77.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
most of CT feels like either an extension of New York or an extension of Massachusetts

Yeah, I think of CT as the cultural vacuum between Boston and NYC. I don't know how many times I've heard the Yankees/Red Sox debate. :-P

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-02-05 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
I've never seen the Stepford movie, so I doubt I could have even told you which state it's set in!

The real shame of CT is that it does have those places of extreme wealth - and also three of the poorest cities in the country (Bridgeport, Hartford, and New Haven). The extreme disparities in income are terrible.

Yeah, I can imagine that would be really striking.

I think most of CT feels like either an extension of New York or an extension of Massachusetts. That's why the sports team thing is so split - people either identify with Boston or with NYC.

Fascinating. I feel like I've learned something!

[identity profile] mollivanders.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
The sports vs fandom analogy always, always works. And it works on a feminist angle too since fandom is mostly full of women, so while men can be really enthusiastic about sports and make those kind of OTT comments and not be thought of as deluded, women use the same exact language to describe the things we're passionate about...and we're gently reminded, dear, that you know they don't actually exist?

It's all fun and games until someone's reminded they painted themselves blue for the Super Bowl.

The KBell video makes me cry from laughing every time but I see you've seen it now :)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-02-05 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
women use the same exact language to describe the things we're passionate about...and we're gently reminded, dear, that you know they don't actually exist?

It's all fun and games until someone's reminded they painted themselves blue for the Super Bowl.


HAHAHA YES. I love you.

The thing about the KBell video is that if it was anybody else, I would probably think that freaking out crying was just for show. But she's totally sincere about it! I love it!

[identity profile] parkslady.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
YES TO YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT SPORTS TALK BEING "SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE." It is so frustrating to sit at family parties and listen to my cousins go on and on about their teams and have that be a legitimate topic of conversation... and then when my sister and I talk about TV, we get the "you do know that television is not *real*, don't you?" comments. I'm to the point where I usually feign complete shock and go, "IT'S NOT? REALLY? Please, tell me more!" :|

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-02-05 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
UUUUUUUUUUUUUGH. Why are people like this? Why do they not recognize the hypocrisy? I don't expect everyone to be into what I'm into; I'd just like not to be mocked for it!

[identity profile] beloved-77.livejournal.com 2012-02-03 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
People who live in Connecticut are called "Nutmeggers" because CT is the Nutmeg state. I have no idea why. I only moved here because of Mr. IB. In fact, when asked where I'm from, I make sure to tell people that I only live here, but I'm not *from* here. I don't want them to get the wrong idea. :-P

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-02-05 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
Haha! I can understand that impulse!