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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2012-01-10 10:35 am

it's been pretty quiet around here?

So I want to host a comment fic-a-thon again. But these things tend to work better when there's some sort of theme to them. The Bechdel Test one was well over a year ago--anyone interested in reviving that? Or, if not, we could do crossovers or three sentence limits or something along those lines. Anybody have any thoughts? Anybody have any VERY STRONG feelings about not having something right now? Do these things tend to work better when they go up on a Friday and the we have the weekend to write? Basically, I'm lj-booooored and I want to do this, so give me some feedback, please. Even if it's just to say that you'd be interested or that you're super busy right now and can't possibly participate in anything even this low-key.


Also, I saw Tinker Tailor Sailor Spy last night, and I think they need to change the title to Everyone Has Really Bad Hair. Incredibly well-acted and directed, and whoever did the production design deserves an Oscar, but, like Roger Ebert, I sometimes felt lost and that I was missing out on important details. A quote:

I have every confidence that in this film, every piece of information is there and flawlessly meshes, but I can't say so for sure, perhaps because I don't have a mind suitable for espionage. I enjoyed the film's look and feel, the perfectly modulated performances, and the whole tawdry world of spy and counterspy, which must be among the world's most dispiriting occupations. But I became increasingly aware that I didn't always follow all the allusions and connections. On that level, "Tinker Tailor" didn't work for me.


I still think it was a very enjoyable movie experience and I don't regret seeing it, I just feel like I'll have to watch the movie six more times (or, more accurately, read the book which I've tried to read twice and couldn't get very far into) in order to pick up on everything.

In closing, all spy movies should be set during the Cold War. The end.
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[personal profile] snickfic 2012-01-10 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm interested! I did really enjoy the Bechdel test ficathon, but something else would also be cool. I'll try to think of cool themes and get back to you. (Probably I wouldn't be as excited about crossovers; I just don't have enough fandoms.)

I picked up Tinker Tail Soldier Spy (the book) at the library a couple of days ago. I'd heard good things, and the first page looked engaging. :) If I have any luck reading it, I'll be sure to let the flist know.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Do let me know if you come up with anything theme-wise.

Something about LeCarre's style drives me craaaazy. But if you love it a lot, I'll definitely give it another try!

[identity profile] ceciliaj.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
A ficathon sounds super fun! What about a theme like winter or...I dunno, something that invites lots of positivity, like the Bechdel one did :).

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm...a seasonal thing could be fun! I will ponder that!
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[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Great! Enthusiasm!

[identity profile] pocochina.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
dance slay whatever b, danceslay by goodbyepicadilly.tumblr

I would never PRESSURE, obviously, but since you asked, YES I would love to see the Bechdel Test Ficathon return!

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I did indeed ask! Yay!

[identity profile] dollsome.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh! I've been feeling randomly over the past few months that there should be a Bechdel Test Comment Ficathon going on all the time. Such a great idea, and something fandom needs all the time!

your icon!

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, good! I'm so pleased!
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[identity profile] magisterequitum.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd be down for one. :)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Excellent!

[identity profile] smells_corrupt.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
A ficathon would be fun! I think the three sentence thing would be interesting to try.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
It's quite fun. A lot of people have hosted them and I always enjoy it. I hosted one here some time ago.

[identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
YESSSSSSS! Maybe a fandom love theme, because I need some of that in my life right now (last night [livejournal.com profile] coalitiongirl and I discovered btvshate.livejournal.com, and marveled at how vitriolic the fandom was around mid 2006. It was horrible! Then we realized how good we have it on tumblr and it turned into a 1AM tumblr love fest).

Also if you want any help with this one, let me know. I'd be happy to have something to do with it.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Great! And now I will be sucked into that comm as I reread all of the hate...I can't seem to stay away from those places when they're linked, even though I'm all about the love!

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OH GOD LEXI I SHOULD NOT BE READING THIS. EVERYONE HATES MY GIRL. EVERYONE HATES MY BOY. EVERYONE HATES EVERYTHING THAT I LOOOOOOOVE.
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[identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I just posted an anonymous love meme because I NEED the love to bleach my brain! That community sucks you in and you can't look away because the hate is so strong! Quick, go to Tumblr and let pretty pictures calm your mind!

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Good for you for coming up with ways to combat the hate! Yay!

I also think that the hating on real people in that thread goes way too far. I do defend peoples' rights to dislike things they dislike, but talking that way about real people is terrible.

[identity profile] kwritten.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Enthusiasm!!!

I love the idea of the Bechdel again.
But the three sentences idea is also tickling my fancy...

Raw enthusiasm!!!

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
EXCELLENT!

[identity profile] upupa-epops.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
A ficathon sounds great :D. I'm not sure if I'll have time to actually write something, but I'll try!

How about a Girl-POV ficathon? That would include Bechdel (if you write about two female characters having an interaction, in most cases you'd write a POV of a female character, right?), but would be much broader?

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
That could be fun! I'm probably going to end up doing a poll at some point, so I'll put that on the list!

[identity profile] upupa-epops.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks :D. That's ultimately selfish - I'm just a little in the mood for character study :).
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[personal profile] snickfic 2012-01-10 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the Girl-POV ficathon idea, too. Yes. Less restricting than Bechdel, but still focusing on the ladies.

[identity profile] streussal.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Bechdel test ficathon sounds great! I've been wanting to prompt fic for The Secret Circle, and my interest there is almost entirely based on LADIES so. (Ladyships: Melissa/Faye, Diana/Cassie, Faye/Diana. Diana/Melissa could be neat, based on that one episode they interacted. Faye/Cassie has potential. ...that's just the teenagers, I'm not even getting into the neat familial relationships.)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, fandoms like that and Pan Am are fantastic for that sort of a fic-a-thon, aren't they? I'm leaning towards the Bechdel one again, so stay tuned!

[identity profile] uwsannajane.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I know the book very well indeed, so didn't have any trouble during Tinker, Tailor, aside from the occasional moment of mild distraction when they made a big change to plot or characterization - which appeared to be done either to save time and to add emotional depth (a funny thing to say about a film in which almost all expressions of emotion are brutally suppressed, but after all, the emotions are still there).

My control group was my husband, who doesn't know from George Smiley but who is very attuned to the language of film. He did fine, but even he didn't guess the mole until very late in the movie (whereas to me it seemed blindingly obvious). I can easily see that it would be tricky for a lot of viewers.

The thing about the book is, Le Carre isn't everyone's cup of tea. The writing is dense and sometimes just as confusing as the movie. I'm very fond of his Smiley novels, but you shouldn't drive yourself crazy trying to get into them!

Back to the film ... The story is told largely in flashbacks, but it's not always easy to tell when you're in the present and when you're in the past. A couple of things that help: any scene that John Hurt's in, after the first one, is a flashback, and Smiley's glasses are different in the past and present - you see him buying new ones right after Control's downfall.

You could also read a synopsis with spoilers (there's one here (http://cinesnatch.blogspot.com/2011/12/review-spoilers-tinker-tailor-soldier.html), for instance, which is pretty thorough although the prose is glutinous). After all, you've already watched the movie once, and it's not like you'll know more than someone who's read the book.

Bonus trivia - the sentence "I feel seriously under-fucked" was originally said to John Le Carre by W. H. Auden.
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[personal profile] snickfic 2012-01-10 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
So I have been thinking about ideas. Other ideas that I have had:

* The prompt format over at the Fandom Love Mini Ficathon last summer worked really well for me: prompt + fandom, but no characters or ships in the prompt.

* A "Ships I don't ship" ficathon - either people prompting ships they don't ship, or writing ships they don't ship, or both. (The latter sounds like more fun to me.)

* A "Where in the World" ficathon, where people prompt a character/ship and a place. Like, Spike/Buffy, Paris or Spike/Buffy, the laundromat. Maybe too restricting? But it seems like it'd be fun. You could add silly punny non-places, too, if you wanted, like Spike/Buffy, out of their minds.

[identity profile] upupa-epops.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Ships I don't ship sound so awesome! This is something I keep thinking I'll do, but end up never actually doing it. Prompts would be a wonderful excuse.
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[personal profile] snickfic 2012-01-10 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
*nod*

I think we might need to clarify what "not shipping" means, though. It's not the same as "ships I anti-ship." Maybe it'd "ships I've never written fic for before"? "Ships I don't seek out to read"? We wouldn't want to constrict things too much, but we also would to give people plenty of encouragement to try things they just have never thought to try before.
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[personal profile] snickfic 2012-01-11 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Although really, I might just be pining for another Rare Pair ficathon. I think that might be it.

[identity profile] upupa-epops.livejournal.com 2012-01-11 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
Rare Pair sounds awesome, but I was going for "out of comfort zone". "Ships I've never written fic for before" sound just perfect.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-11 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yay! More ideas!

[identity profile] empresspatti.livejournal.com 2012-01-10 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing about Tinker, Tailor - the book was so amazing and so dense with information that it was hard to get it into a 6 part mini series, let alone a single movie.

As for spy novels in general - you can't go wrong with John Le Carre (ever), but David Ignatius writes great ripped-from-today's-headlines novels too.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-11 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
so dense with information that it was hard to get it into a 6 part mini series, let alone a single movie.

Yeah, some things just need a longer format, and I wish that they'd done another miniseries with these same actors/director/etc. because the movie was fantastic other than the confusion due to lack of detail.

[identity profile] empresspatti.livejournal.com 2012-01-11 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
You can prolly find the original series on netflix or hulu or whatever. Its well worth watching and stars ALex Guinnes as Smiley.

Still IMHO NOTHING beats the books. History lessons with a punch.

[identity profile] redbrunja.livejournal.com 2012-01-11 08:10 am (UTC)(link)
I am always interested in a comment meme, although lately I have no time whatsoever. Things I like: doomed ships, fierce ladies, fluff.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2012-01-11 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I like all of those things, too!