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So there's shit going down, and I'm like...what if we actually all did move over to dreamwidth? Like, I feel like the entire Spuffy community could actually get together and emigrate over there. The reason I haven't is because most everyone is still over here, you know? But

seasonal_spuffy's over there now, which I feel like is our central kind of thing that holds us together? Is

su_herald there? And then if we got

sb_fag_ends and

fantas_magoria over there, too (which they may already be cross-posted, for all I know) plus all of our personal journals (I already have one, I just don't use it except occasionally I import my lj over there as a sort of backup), that would pretty much take care of everything, wouldn't it?

I'd be willing to buy more icons over there and get a paid account and everything if I knew that y'all were going to be over there, too. I'd say about 75% of my flist is from Buffyverse fandom. And I'd be willing to continue to crosspost over here for the people who aren't, and of course I'd want to keep up with people who stayed and stuff.

I'm not saying that this is necessarily something that we need to do. And I remember when dreamwidth first started being petrified that fandom would splinter and I wouldn't know how to find people. But if the majority of us made a decision together, I think it would be workable.

Because the privacy stuff that's going on here kind of freaks me out. And lj seems to have about as much respect for its userbase as tumblr does, which is saying something. I can't say that most of the problems with lj are things that affect me personally, because they don't (not being someone who rps or makes a lot of changes to the css). But privacy is different. That affects all of us. And it's unacceptable that people are being logged into other people's accounts, including those of people who are selling things via lj and whose inboxes contain information on other people's paypal accounts, addresses, etc. The fact that the management here hasn't seen this as something that needs to be dealt with is what makes me think we might be better off on another site.

That said, I know some people don't like dreamwidth, and I've never got a real clear read on why that is? So if you have strong anti-dreamwidth feelings, do you mind letting me know what your reasoning is? I'm sure there are legitimate complaints, I just don't know what they are.

Anyone got any thoughts? Again, not saying that this is something that definitely needs to happen. I'm going or staying wherever the majority of fandom is. But I'm thinking, you know?

Also, the new font in the entry box is FUGLY. The Fug Girls would not approve.

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Well, if LJ's explanation of the glitch holds good, it's rather less horrific than had been feared. Which is a relief. Though I think they could sound a little less smug about it - being able to read someone's flocked posts, even briefly, could be damaging even if you couldn't edit etc.

I think 'we', meaning a nice little bunch of Spuffies, could move over or at least move enough to shift the centre of gravity a little. The seasonal Spuffy experience doesn't suggest it would be hugely effective with a wider fandom, but we could keep on chatting as we do here.

Thing is, being a bit pairing-agnostic, I have a *lot* of non-Spuffy, even non-BtVS people and comms here, and I'm afraid I'm staying with LJ as a result. Will probably go through a brief spasm of crossposting from DW, which usually happens around this time in an LJ crisis, then get fed up and come back here.

I must find out, actually, how Seasonal Spuffy were allowed to import the comm - last I read, DW wouldn't allow comm imports because it was multiple people's intellectual property being duplicated and you couldn't get sufficient consents to make it legal. That was quite a while ago, though, and quite possibly they've changed their minds. It'd be nice to have Phantasmagoria backed up if it's considered acceptable now.

I got the impression that the mods exported the Seasonal Spuffy entries manually, or at least via some serious programming mojo with 3rd party software. Verity would have details.

Sigh. It's never as easy as 'push a button'. That would be my level.

Yes, Verity was doing some, uh, serious back-end stuff that I didn't really understand. And it didn't take; there was a glitch, and she decided to start over when the session was done, so she wasn't under a time constraint.

Sigh. No big red button with 'press here'?

Why, world? WHY?

Actually, Seasonal Spuffy couldn't get the comm to import to DW. They tried a script that wasn't an official DW one, but it didn't take. The mod thinks that they might have better luck doing it at a time when LJ is not under attack, which makes sense, but I'm not super-confident that it will actually work. If so, I'm all for backing up Phantasmagoria on DW! In the meantime, we could try to claim the name over there...

Your idle wish is my command. Mostly cos I'm waiting for a train and I'm bored.

fantas_magoria.dreamwidth.com is ours - will post to the mod journal to explain and make it open to us all.

You never know, at some point we might get to my level of tech expertise (that would be a button saying 'import community').

It seems to be a thing with programers - they just can't leave well enough alone, and they never ask their customers before they do things, they just spend time apologizing afterward. :) That's across the board - computer operating systems, phones, journals, websites, email programs... you name it, somebody thinks they know just what it needs to even more awesome. :)

Our director of tech used to refuse to be interested in anything not 'Cool and New'. So much that his dept called their newsletter that for a while - and he didn't get the joke.

Effective and deliverable are my buzzwords. People don't use them as much...

When I asked about importing Riters_R_Us I was told I couldn't do it. Even though I am the administrator. I had to open a DW account in that name. However, I rarely post to it because, as a community, it doesn't allow me to set it up for automatic x posting to LJ which means I have to double post entries if I want to have them both places and I rarely take the time to do that.

That was the explanation I heard, way back - it's not that implementing code to import a comm is impossible, it's the intellectual property questions.

If that's so I understand their reluctance, but it still annoys me - if you willingly post something to a comm, and the URL of that com changes, I don't see the big deal. The biggest complaint I've ever seen against DW is that some people think some of the founders are douchebags. Which is not on the same order of business as the owners of DW murdering kittens or supporting Sarah Palin or something. I mean, the owners of LJ are pretty douchey, too, and that doesn't seem to bother them.

I used to belong to some shared world fanzine writing clubs. Every now and then a special snowflake would quit the group in a huff and declare that no one could ever use their character in stories again - not just from this point forward, but all along the group's timeline. The most lacy and delicate of these special snowflakes sometimes went so far as to threaten legal action if we reprinted back issues of the zine that had their character in them. Sometimes these characters were major parts of storylines. It was really frikkin' annoying for those of us left trying to tie up the loose ends. And the whole OMG can't transfer a comm! thing reminds me a great deal of that.

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