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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2010-05-28 03:38 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This day has been so full of fail. I cannot have a conversation online without someone failing horribly. Work has been more relaxing and soothing to my soul, and we all know how I feel about that.

Like this:

Having a conversation on whedonesque (duh), which is full of fail on other levels (like this gem: "I'm not sure to what extent critical gender theory is an ideal tool for analysing individual texts as opposed to identifying trends in the medium as a whole" embedded in a bunch of pseudo-intellectual stuff that basically boils down to, "You're wrong, and my privilege lets me say so"), and then the most faily thing ever is said:

Other person:

I haven't got as far as the glowy sex, but aren't you arguing the (in my opinion impossible to objectively define) line between seduction and rape? Sounds like she got the horn and went irrational, as anyone can. I think if she's fine with it afterwards then you have to allow her the empowered choice to be so. Even if it ruins the story.


Me:

No, we don't, fraac, though you certainly can if you want to. But we don't have to because Buffy isn't a person. We can ask why the writers needed to include it at all and say we think they should have thought about it more. Which is what we're saying.


AND THEN.

Other person:

Surely if we're talking about her rights then for sake of argument she's a person? Otherwise you could do anything to her.

I think that, in the same way freedom of speech means defending to the death your worst enemy's right to verbally attack you, the ultimate expression of feminism is to defend a woman's right to enjoy being raped. In both cases it's about accepting (i.e. loving) our fellow humans for all they are, even where their existence is at odds with our deepest fears. So it's about courage and self-awareness.


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AND THERE'S MORE!

What if the character of Buffy spoke to the writer, as (previously) well-formed characters often do, and said she enjoyed the coercive universe aspect of sex? Either she's a person or she isn't, can't have it both ways.


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FOR FURTHER PROOF THAT THE UNIVERSE IS FAILING AND FAILING HARD TODAY, PLEASE TO BE LOOKING AT THIS POST.

But perhaps not if you value your sanity and your faith in humanity.

Please read that last link I linked to (once again, here) and report the hell out of this guy. I know the superpowers of my awesome feminist flist can shut this guy down.

[identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
Just wanted to let you know that today you win at life for icon/ .gif usage. Will be making icon's comment next time Rush Limbaugh's name comes up in conversation (which it will. I'm with my daddy right now.)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
...I might consider grad school if it could get me over there.

...

I'm gonna think about this. Maybe I need to take the GRE.

Nope. Can't do it at all. It's illegal to enter the country to job search, too.

[identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
Oy vey. There's a reason I have been avoiding Whedonesque threads for a while. My great sympathies.

[identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
I am so happy to hear this ending to the debacle that goes OMG so far past debacle. Simon gets a cookie from me. No, really, I'm gonna send him a PM thanking him and offering a cookie if he's ever in California.

[identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 06:46 am (UTC)(link)
Beautiful poetry was never paraphrased so accurately.

[identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 06:49 am (UTC)(link)
I so want to be in whatever club of awesome you and [livejournal.com profile] anythingbutgrey are talking about now.

[identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 06:58 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, have commented generally on conversation here, and greatly praise Simon for shutting the a-hole up. Nothing to add that hasn't already been said, and banging my head against a wall seems almost inadequate to describe my reaction to this guy.

Oh, and points for the Achibe reference. Things Fall Apart was the first post-colonial work I ever read (as an ignorant freshman in my first survey of world literature class), and am delighted to know he has critical theory to read as well (though most of my critical theory work on post-colonialism was trying to say Yeats was a post-colonial poet because he wrote about the Anglo-Irish experience in the context of Irish independence. It wasn't a very strong argument, but it was fun).

And Dana5140 may be the latest person I decide to fangirl and harass until he hie himself over to LJ (or hie herself - Dana's a gender neutral name, y'know).

But yay for you for wading into the mires of Whedonesque once again for those of us not brave enough to (or whose therapists strongly advise against it).

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 07:39 am (UTC)(link)
Look back on it, I think he did more mean fraac was the "silly sod" and that if anyone else decided to be a silly sod, they'd get suspended, too. So yeah, I don't think it was directed at you, hon.

[identity profile] ohwaluvusbab.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
What the fuck is up with these Whedonesque fuckers? Someone tell me when it's go-time to register so I can get my axe out and take some names.
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[personal profile] silverusagi 2010-05-29 09:50 am (UTC)(link)
The Internets seem to be made of fail today.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
When's the next big holiday? I'm guessing they go by American since though the main moderators and site owner are in Europe, the show itself and the site has an overwhelming American bent.

So... maybe July 4th?

[identity profile] anythingbutgrey.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
YOU DON'T NEED THE GRE FOR THEIR GRAD SCHOOLS.

LET'S GO! ISOBEL WANTS TO DO THIS WOMEN + LIT MASTERS AT ST. ANDREWS.

DO IT.
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[identity profile] redsilverchains.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
...I MAY VOMIT. All over those people.

I am seriously alarmed for the female population in...wherever that blogger lives.

[identity profile] ava-leigh-fitz.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
OH MY GOD DO SO. AS ELYSSA ALREADY SAID, THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE GRE HERE. A+ BRITAIN. ALSO YES, THERE IS THE MOST PERFECT COURSE EVER AT ST ANDREWS THAT I AM ACTUALLY OBSESSED WITH.

PLZ 2 B LIVING HERE SOON?

slash, I need to get myself to Tennessee stat.

[identity profile] ava-leigh-fitz.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
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NO REALLY. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
Edited 2010-05-29 18:00 (UTC)
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[personal profile] ruuger 2010-05-29 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
What is it with Whedonesque and thinking that the characters are real people? Every time someone criticises something that Joss wrote someone starts arguing that it was the character's choice and that teh ebil feminists are just oppressing the poor fictional women.

[identity profile] ohwaluvusbab.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Sigh. That's like a whole month away. Well, post-it-ing to my forehead anyway.
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[personal profile] deird1 2010-05-30 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
And Dana5140 may be the latest person I decide to fangirl and harass until he hie himself over to LJ (or hie herself - Dana's a gender neutral name, y'know).

'Himself', in this case.

(Isn't he wonderful!)

[identity profile] sarahlovesa.livejournal.com 2010-05-30 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
NO NO NO NO NO - he should not be allowed to put this filth on the internet and I say that as someone who is really not comfortable with censorship. However, someone I love was raped, so I just felt pure red rage fill my head when I read some of his blog. I could not read the whole thing as I just felt like I needed a shower after it. I am not suprised that such a b*****d exists but the fact that he is quite happy to write it all under his own name is beyond belief.

I read some of the comments on his blog and one of them said that he had been reported as a possible danger to female students by his head of dept. ( God help us, he is an educator.) So, while he says it is all just his opinion and he would not act on it, frankly, someone like him, who, despite seeming to be well educated and quite young, already has such extreme views, does not strike me as a person who will be content to just talk the talk for the rest of his life.

I read blogs and websites because I love being exposed to lots of different minds and opinions - that's how we learn and grow. But this guy? He just pollutes the internet and the worrying thing is that there will be some inadequate people out there who don't know how to relate to women and who wil read what he says and think that he has solved the riddle of why they can't get laid.

So I did what you suggested and reported him. I look forward to seeing him try to deal with the mighty power of women on a mission. He won't last 5 minutes.
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[personal profile] angelus2hot 2010-05-31 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
I followed the link and simply couldn't believe what I was reading. To think that someone believes this kind of moronic crap is beyond me. Someone I know wasn't raped. I was. I was fifteen(a virgin) and I can guarantee you that I didn't ask for it, enjoy it and neither was I glad it happened. Rape effects all women whether she's a feminist or not. Rape can not and should not be looked on in a favorable light. Just as it can not be enjoyed. Rape is about power, the power a man has over a woman it has nothing to do with the actual enjoyment of the sex act.

Furthermore, Buffy is a fictional character(my favorite female character) but she isn't a real person. So it's not Buffy that enjoyed that kind of sex it was the writers that brought it up.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-31 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, good. :D

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-31 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
You are totally invited to the club. There's probably gonna be a post.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-31 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

slash, yes, you should come. It's very pretty here right now. I was driving down the road and admiring how green everything is. Of course, it might be a bit warm for your tastes.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-31 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I heart this comment.

Gah, I love Yeats.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-31 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
INSANITY.

Your icon is appropriate. Except that it doesn't just apply to fic.

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