I don't really know how much of a conversation we can have about this at this point, to be honest. There's so much that happens later, that happens in the comics, that happens on AtS. How much of this did you read?
Where the Wild Things Are is stupid and infuriating. I have nothing further to say.
I don't know if it's a commentary on sex --> bad or if Joss is creating a structure where the thing we want most is the thing we can't have because the cost to the rest of the world is too great, and we lose the thing we want by taking it. It's depressing but sex, in this context, isn't about bad - it's about loss, which I think is a valid way to talk about sex and relationships; it's just going to be a very short-lived and angsty relationship. I see what you're saying, but there's enough problematic content that I can't simply look at it like that. Joss is very unaware of his privilege and just think he doesn't think about these things.
And yeah, we absolutely can't talk about the Spike thing right now. I kind of hate that someone told you that devoid of context. *sigh*
I have a bunch of problems with Inara, actually: for one thing, if she really was so empowered and if her position in society really was so accepted, someone wouldn't be shouting, "Whore!" all the time at her. And it's definitely not just Mal, although that's loathesome and kind of makes me want to not-ship them. But Joss just talks about prositution from a position of such privilege--he really doesn't talk about the nitty-gritty of it, all its complexities, etc. He just has this guy's fantasy about what a professional whore would be like. It's not a horrible portrayal, but it's profoundly lacking.
And I'm not fond of Kaylee in light of all the other female characters he has on literally every single one of his shows that are supposed to be all sunshine and rainbows and make everything okay for the men when they smile (Willow--to a lesser extent--, Fred, Kaylee, Mellie). But that's another issue.
It is significant to me, though, that after she sleeps with Angel and he becomes Angelus, Giles makes a point to say she may have acted rashly, but he doesn't blame her for what happened, and all she will get is his support and his respect. Agreed. That's really fantastic.
I don't know if you can really say that about her having the power. Because of stuff that happens later and because of how often the show likes to play around with consent issues and they affect her.
But you should totally come back later when you're through the show and up on the comics and we'll really tear it apart. :D
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Where the Wild Things Are is stupid and infuriating. I have nothing further to say.
I don't know if it's a commentary on sex --> bad or if Joss is creating a structure where the thing we want most is the thing we can't have because the cost to the rest of the world is too great, and we lose the thing we want by taking it. It's depressing but sex, in this context, isn't about bad - it's about loss, which I think is a valid way to talk about sex and relationships; it's just going to be a very short-lived and angsty relationship.
I see what you're saying, but there's enough problematic content that I can't simply look at it like that. Joss is very unaware of his privilege and just think he doesn't think about these things.
And yeah, we absolutely can't talk about the Spike thing right now. I kind of hate that someone told you that devoid of context. *sigh*
I have a bunch of problems with Inara, actually: for one thing, if she really was so empowered and if her position in society really was so accepted, someone wouldn't be shouting, "Whore!" all the time at her. And it's definitely not just Mal, although that's loathesome and kind of makes me want to not-ship them. But Joss just talks about prositution from a position of such privilege--he really doesn't talk about the nitty-gritty of it, all its complexities, etc. He just has this guy's fantasy about what a professional whore would be like. It's not a horrible portrayal, but it's profoundly lacking.
And I'm not fond of Kaylee in light of all the other female characters he has on literally every single one of his shows that are supposed to be all sunshine and rainbows and make everything okay for the men when they smile (Willow--to a lesser extent--, Fred, Kaylee, Mellie). But that's another issue.
It is significant to me, though, that after she sleeps with Angel and he becomes Angelus, Giles makes a point to say she may have acted rashly, but he doesn't blame her for what happened, and all she will get is his support and his respect. Agreed. That's really fantastic.
I don't know if you can really say that about her having the power. Because of stuff that happens later and because of how often the show likes to play around with consent issues and they affect her.
But you should totally come back later when you're through the show and up on the comics and we'll really tear it apart. :D
Thanks for your thoughts!