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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2024-02-09 10:46 am

Fannish Friday: old-school acting faves

Inspired by me nominating Thelma Ritter for the women's round of Vintage Hotties poll spectacular over on Tumblr dot com (look, if Peter Falk can make it this far, there is no reason Ms. Ritter shouldn't too):

Tell me about an actor--tv, film, stage, whatever--from before, say, 1980 that you really love.

I have a zillion, but today I will focus on Ms. Ritter, Character Actress Extraordinaire.

She was a very small middle-aged lady with a thick Brooklyn accent and she's unforgettable onscreen. If you've ever seen her in anything, you will be absolutely thrilled to see her again. Her first few film roles were so small that they were uncredited--a customer in Miracle on 34th Street, a servant in A Letter to Three Wives--but she made such an impact that Joseph L. Mankiewicz called her up for All About Eve, which I believe was her first credited role...and which got her an Oscar nomination for best supporting actress. She later got 5 more nominations in that category, but she never won.

She played larger supporting roles in Rear Window and Pillow Talk and The Misfits and How the West Was Won (and nobody asked for my opinion about that movie but the cast is incredible, the score is even better, and it's 10000% Manifest Destiny propaganda. Now you know!). And she's just so good in everything! All the time! I love her!

Having compared her to Falk, it is now the great tragedy of my life that she didn't get to play a schlumpy detective on a beloved TV show for years. She would have knocked it out of the park.


Anyway, tell me about someone you're fond of ([personal profile] thisbluespirit I'm looking at you). You don't have to go into great detail, you can literally just be like, "I really like Julie Andrews in Mary Poppins" or something. I am just feeling the love for classic stars today!
thisbluespirit: (margaret lockwood)

[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2024-02-10 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Anyway, tell me about someone you're fond of ([personal profile] thisbluespirit I'm looking at you).

LOL! Mine aren't Old Hollywood people, though, and therefore not at all cool, even if I like them. XD

The nearest I come is Margaret Lockwood, the biggest female UK movie star in the 1930s, who was pretty awesome, and made something of a comeback in the 60s and 70s as well & was the wicked stepmother in The Slipper and the Rose.

She's great in The Lady Vanishes with Dame May Whitty and Michael Redgrave (I'm confident you'd enjoy that one - it's an early Alfred Hitchcock with spies on a train across Europe and full on 1930s banter and shenanigans).

She played quite a few villains in Gainsborough melodramas (and some heroines), and The Wicked Lady is a lot of fun, as she dresses up as a man and takes to the highway with James Mason. (And Patricia Roc, who also turns up in three of her films and they are always v femslashy together, like so) and like so.)

I also like Carol Reed's Bank Holiday, although I'm not sure I can justify that as much, but I'm very fond of it anyway.

But, yeah, she's pretty cool:



Being v eyerolly about the US censors and TWL



Some other 1930s UK Movie ladies I like include (obv) the very awesome Dame May Whitty (she went to Hollywood aged 70 and immediately set about winning Oscars; she helped set up Equity and she was the first actor to be made a Dame, for her work in hospitals in WWI), Nova Pilbeam (who is fun and also refused to change her name for the stage, because she didn't think it was any sillier than plenty of stage names anyway) and Victoria Hopper, subject of a rather baffling hatchet job of an Obit in The Stage that I suspect was undeserved (but idk). Ironically, her favourite role was one that was all about how women get written out of history and forgotten or maligned.
Edited 2024-02-10 20:25 (UTC)
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[personal profile] theseatheseatheopensea 2024-02-10 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
she dresses up as a man and takes to the highway with James Mason.

Life goals! XD
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2024-02-11 10:23 am (UTC)(link)
Well, if it could end better! XD
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[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2024-02-12 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I think yours are cool! I don't know most of them, but I still like hearing you talk about them!!!

Aw, thanks! I'm just very aware that most people slip away at best or possibly run away screaming once they realise I'm looking at OLd British TV! XD But I did find you some UK movie stars, who, unfairly get so much less attention, especially this era where Hollywood was out of reach because of the War, which also ended several careers prematurely.

Life goals!

I mean, it ends in Death, so possibly not, but tbf, it is better than the previous one where ML and JM had an affair and then he wound up beating her to death with the poker. (I like The Man In Grey more than it deserves for the excellently snarky ML content, but does it have problems and then some.)

I've seen several things with her! I loooove an old lady!

She's just so great!
thisbluespirit: (avengers)

[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2024-02-12 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen a huge amount of classic British films, but the ones I have seen I really loved! I want to watch more!

I've mainly watched random obscure ones from a particular series of DVD release, plus a few others, so I'm not sure I'm a good guide, but The 39 Steps (1936) is great fun, and Laburnum Grove is awesome as well, and as I said, I love Bank Holiday too. But I do need to try some more of the better known ones! XD

I also watched The Assassination Bureau a couple of years ago, which was a late 1960s film that has Diana Rigg and Oliver Reed running about Edwardian Europe together (she hires him to assassinate the assassins of his own Assassination Bureau! What could possibly go wrong?) and it is a madcap delight if it ever falls into your hands. And I had never heard of it before I spotted it on backwater freeview channel. I had to find this out myself!!

I mean, it ends in Death, so possibly not, but tbf, it is better than the previous one where ML and JM had an affair and then he wound up beating her to death with the poker.

OH NO!


Death On The Highway for your wicked crimes (which were many, lol) is definitely preferable! XD
Edited 2024-02-12 20:37 (UTC)
thisbluespirit: (avengers)

[personal profile] thisbluespirit 2024-02-15 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
That sounds AMAZING!

Have a clip of the bit at the start where she hires him, if you like, and judge for yourself. :-)