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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2023-08-11 08:41 am

Fannish Friday: Characters Who Are Too Good for Their Stories

Sometimes a show or a book or another story will be just...really mediocre (or even bad) but have one or two elements that are so good that they make you wistful (or frustrated) over what might have been.

When I think of this kind of scenario, I think of two television shows: Still Star Crossed and Dollhouse.

Still Star Crossed was one of those Shondaland shows, which are...not my cup of tea. I do not enjoy her kind of television. But I watched this one anyway, and even though I think the show was...a complete and total mess (other than the visuals and the cast, which were both very good), I will have feelings about Rosaline and Benvolio for the rest of my life. (I also really loved the supporting character of Isabella.) I mean LOOK AT THEM.

This was such a perfect ship made up of two characters I really liked played by actors who were amazing in their roles! They're enemies who end up having to work together, learn to respect and appreciate each other, and then just start falling in love before the show ends abruptly. I shall never recover!

The show was canceled before all of its episodes aired--it apparently did abysmally, which I find perplexing. I know I said it was a hot mess, but it was no more of a hot mess than Bridgerton (another Shondaland show) that does huge viewership numbers. So I really don't know why this show didn't work.

But anyway: I wish these two had been in a better show, one that lasted longer, because I deserved that!


As for Dollhouse, I remember how excited we all were over on LJ when it was announced--a new Whedon show! (This was while we still actually liked Whedon on the strength of the Buffyverse.) But yeah...it was...another mess, though in a different way.

But it had some really good characters! Anyone played by Olivia Williams is just going to be flat-out awesome. Amy Acker is always good. I thought Miracle Laurie did a really good job with her character and I'm confused as to why I haven't seen her anywhere since then.

But my favorites were Priya/Sierra and Tony/Victor played by Dichen Lachman and Enver Gjokaj. The actors were absolutely wonderful--so good, in fact, that they made me believe in the soulmate trope, and I NEVER believe in the soulmate trope! They were just perfect in every way and while this was probably almost entirely due to the strength of the actors (Gjokaj in particular is, I think, insanely underrated), it didn't matter. I loved them! Why couldn't they be in a show that deserved them????????

I still actually think the premise of Dollhouse was interesting and could have been done really well if someone as gross as Whedon weren't the one behind it.



I would love to hear about characters that really worked for you, even if the story they were inside didn't.
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[personal profile] chestnut_pod 2023-08-11 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I was on tumblr for the wave of Check Please! enthusiasm, and I did read the whole thing when it eventually came out in a collected volume and reached my library… but I didn't and still don't think it was very good. In particular, I remember that it would just drop plot lines with no warning, and I was surprised to read the collected volume and find those holes still there, because I'd really assumed I had just missed installments "because tumblr!" But, even so, I loved the character Lardo/Larissa, who seemed to have eons more dimensionality to her than anyone else. She had a fun design, she had problems outside the hockey world of the comic's main characters, she had a pining romance that I absolutely adored, and immense bisexual vibes. I still smile when I think about her!
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2023-08-13 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
oh man, yeah, so many people were SO into check please and like....it was fine. there were some fun elements. but I also regularly assumed that I'd missed something and would try to go through the archives and figure out what I'd missed and - nope. But you're so right about lardo, too, I loved her!
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[personal profile] chestnut_pod 2023-08-13 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope she's out there somewhere arting her heart out and using her managerial skills remuneratively!
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[personal profile] dollsome 2023-08-11 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
The first one that came to mind is Regina Mills from Once Upon a Time! I was always unimpressed with the show overall, but she was Perfection!!!
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[personal profile] evewithanapple 2023-08-11 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Mary Palmer on The Alienist had thirty minutes total of screentime (actually, less than that - the supercut I made included other characters talking about her, so that inflated the runtime) and was unceremoniously fridged in episode eight. But she was so interesting! She was an incest survivor who'd killed her father and managed to get out of prison because a psychiatrist finally turned up and convinced the authorities she'd been acting in self-defense. So she lives with the guy as a maid, and he's consulting on murder cases and YOU WOULD THINK that this would lead naturally into her being more involved with the main plot - it's not like she doesn't have relevant experience! But no, she's just there to be a love interest and then get killed off. I'll die mad about it.
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[personal profile] evewithanapple 2023-08-11 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Well at the moment she's most likely going to jail for fraud, so that should keep her busy for awhile. But yes, it was fucking ridiculous and a waste of everyone's time. I do think they cut some of her material - there were shots of her in the trailer that did not make it into the show and which seemed to belong to a scrapped subplot - but the book it's based on also treats her character horribly, so I don't think anything short of a radical re-imagining would have saved it.
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[personal profile] seekingferret 2023-08-11 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Century City was this early 2000s SF show that was... Ally McBeal 25 years in the future. Weird legal cases involving cutting edge technology, set against the lawyers' absurd romantic lives. It's such a frustrating blend of things I love and things I hate, I would so love a legal procedural that did future tech and its intersections with the law in a serious way, and of course it was not well written, but what kills me about it is that it had Viola Davis as the senior partner Hannah and she is WAY TOO GOOD for the show she's on.
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2023-08-13 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
Enver Gjokaj is SUCH a good actor and he was so strong in Dollhouse! It's really a shame about.....everything else about dollhouse. because yeah the premise could have been really cool if it was being handled by someone other than whedon.

my number one character I adore from a book that makes me go yikes is Tagiri from Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus. Pastwatch is an Orson Scott Card book that has a deeply racist and uncomfortable premise, but Tagiri is a character who has really spoken to me for decades. She's compassionate, she's deeply odd, and that combination is respected in her by the narrative and by the people around her. And specifically what she does is she uses the "pastwatch" machines to look through history backwards - following her family's story back and back and back further in time to find the causes of things after having observed the results, which just feels so relatable to me. And she is interested in the stories of ordinary people when she looks through the past, instead of looking at the "great men" of history. She cares about people as individuals and sees their importance in their own lives.

(If you want to read more of my thoughts about why the rest of pastwatch is pretty garbage, and why I used to love it anyway, here's my book review)
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[personal profile] lannamichaels 2023-08-13 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like Susan Pevensie from the Narnia books is a character who not only deserved a better fate in the books, she deserved a better story and a better series. I think it's telling that she's captivated so many people to fix her storyline; there may be people who think she had a good storyline, but there's also professionally published Problem Of Susan fic.
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[personal profile] skygiants 2023-08-15 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
I felt the same way about Still Star-Crossed -- mediocre show but nonetheless deserved better than it got, and I would have really liked to see Rosaline and Benvolio get a full story!

Anyway I am now going to take a moment again to talk about Cha Song-joo from Capital Scandal -- my first and most beloved exposure to the kdrama trope of 'gisaeng by day, revolutionary assassin by night,' incredible at all three of her jobs of a.) recruiting the heroine of the show into the revolution and becoming her beloved mentor, b.) being in a star-crossed pining romance with her childhood love who now works for the Police and is constantly forced to Interrogate her about her Activities, and c.) and perhaps most importantly being the hero's constantly trolling best friend in one of the most amazing male-female platonic best friendships I've ever seen in a kdrama or indeed any show. Unfortunately, but her show came out in 2007 and she was a sex worker who murdered several people onscreen; perhaps if the show had come out in 2023 she would not have died an infuriating death in the penultimate episode.
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[personal profile] elperian 2023-08-16 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Been thinking about this for a couple days and I think I have some partial answers!

So, I generally really love the UK Being Human, but I *especially* love Lia, who showed up for all of TWO EPISODES and who killed her killer through the power of thought and I just - I love her so much! I know Mitchell was a fan favorite but he deserved to die after the S2 finale, he just did. Wolf-shaped gun! And so I always feel like we could have done with more of Lia.

I also know people have strong opinions about BSG, especially S4, but here's the thing: I love Kara Thrace so much, to the moon and back again, that I didn't care about the details of her return too much. If I think about the Official Plot of it all, that she's an angel or a ghost leading humanity to Earth, it strains the brain. But also: I don't care! I loved Kara too much not to treasure every second I had with her <333
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[personal profile] elperian 2023-08-18 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I recognize that my love for Kara borders-on-tipping into the extreme, but I especially related to her sharp edges against how much she loved people. I was a goner from "It's the end of the world, Lee. Thought I should confess my sins." but every reveal about her that came after that only worsened my situation, right down to the childhood maternal trauma. "You were born to a woman who believed that suffering was good for the soul, so you suffered." In that way I could relate to Sam a lot - I just loved her enough that she was human to me and not just RDM's imagination.

(Here endeth the random Kara spiral.)
Edited 2023-08-18 14:55 (UTC)