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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2023-07-21 09:45 am

Fannish Friday: Character U-Turns

On this ridiculously hot Friday (in most of the northern hemisphere, anyway), tell me about a character who you either started out loving and ended up hating or started out hating and ended up loving. Or both! With an emphasis on it being unexpected--if someone had told you you'd end up loving/hating this particular character, you wouldn't have believed them.

Love to hate ---> Giles from Buffy. I was always a big fan of the character, and then in season 6, they have him abandon Buffy because she needs to "stand on her own," even though her mother just died, SHE JUST DIED, she's trying to deal with living again, she's raising her teenage sister on her own, and she has to pay the mortgage??? And did I mention that she's, at most, 20 years old??? It's truly insane.

I know that this decision was made because Anthony Head wanted to spend more time in the UK so they needed to write him out of the bulk of the season, but I can think of a half a dozen ways to do that that would have kept him from abandoning Buffy.

Buffy is my woobie anyway, so it isn't surprising that I would resent anyone who betrayed her, but wow, this feels personal to me. It even affects me when I go back and rewatch earlier seasons! And I hate it because I loved that character before this!!!



Hate to love ---> Jamie Tartt from Ted Lasso. He starts out the show just this arrogant asshole who doesn't know how to properly treat Keeley, who you have loved from the first episode. You're set up to see him as a villain. And then you get the reveal of why he's that way, and while that doesn't excuse it, it does help contextualize him.

And then! Then the writers gave him one of the best redemption arcs! And it's subtle! You barely even realize it's happening! Until one day you realize...Jamie's become a really good person and you love him! He's become one of your blorbos! (On a show filled with blorbos!)

I'm still not quite sure how they pulled that off--I need to go back and rewatch the show to figure out how they did it. But wow, I am so happy the writers did that! I adore that boy and ship him so hard with Keeley and Roy!



I would love to hear your journeys with particular characters, either in the comments or in your own post!
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2023-07-21 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
...huh, I just thought back through a variety of my fandoms and to my surprise, apparently I don't really do this. I can go from hate to love or from love to hate on a fandom or a canon as a whole, or I can go from conflicted to a different flavour of conflicted on a character, or from "I don't care" to hate or "I don't care" to love, but I don't seem to really ever do a full 180 in terms of how I feel about just a specific character!
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2023-07-21 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that the thing is, I pretty much exclusively get into canons after they're over. I only very rarely become invested in active canons! Which means I already know what to expect from character arc issues going in and can be braced for them. And then the few times I have followed active canons....if a character I love is ruined for me by canon, then it's probably part of a bigger overarching issue with canon and the whole of canon is ruined for me. (eg when I had my horrible breakup with Doctor Who many years ago)
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2023-07-21 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I divorced the show near the beginning of season 7, the third season of Moffat as showrunner, which was the point at which all the stuff that Moffat prioritized,* which is the opposite of what I wanted, finally reached a threshold where I couldn't ignore it anymore and the whole thing came crashing down for me.

The clean break was not good in my case lol. Doctor Who was a show that was very meaningful to me and it felt crushingly awful. I couldn't even think about the show without crying for years afterwards. I was able to move on from it eventually but honestly it was a defining grief of my mid twenties.

* the doctor is totally chill with violence, rather than his violent impulses being something that comes out when he's at his worst! the doctor is the most special boy in the universe, and his companions have to be special too, rather than the point of the show being that everyone is special in their ordinariness! the doctor is very much not asexual! misogynistic jokes are funny! every story needs to be about WORLD-ENDINGLY-MASSIVE plots that last all season and are all about Moffat making sure you know how clever he is! and so forth.
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2023-07-21 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
thanks <3 on reflection I think it was probably a good thing in the end for me to learn how to not make a piece of pop culture quite so integral a part of my identity that losing it was so painful, but it was definitely a hard lesson to learn!