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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2022-10-05 10:19 am

thematical!

It's finally autumn, which always strikes me as L.M. Montgomery season. She wrote beautifully about every season, but there's something especially beautiful in her writing about autumn. I am definitely going to reread one of her books this weekend, just as I've been listening to Loreena McKennitt albums--to get me in the fall ~mood~

So! Here's another poll!

A clarification about the last question: when I say, "Who is your L.M. Montgomery?" I mean: which author do you love ridiculously much, their writing has become a part of you, you enjoy even their lesser works, and you can see their weaknesses clearly but they just don't matter in the face of your love?

Poll #27613 A L.M. Montgomery-themed poll
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 14


Who is your favorite non-Anne heroine?

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Emily
5 (41.7%)

Valancy
4 (33.3%)

Pat
0 (0.0%)

Rilla
2 (16.7%)

Kilmeny
0 (0.0%)

Jane of Lantern Hill
0 (0.0%)

Sarah, the Story Girl
1 (8.3%)

Marigold ( I just realized I have never read Magic for Marigold????)
0 (0.0%)

Which romance is the most satisfying?

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Anne/Gilbert
1 (9.1%)

Emily/Teddy
0 (0.0%)

Valancy/Barney (this is the correct answer)
7 (63.6%)

Rilla/Ken
1 (9.1%)

Isle/Perry
1 (9.1%)

Pat/Hilary
0 (0.0%)

Kilmeny/Eric
0 (0.0%)

Phil/Rev. Jonas
1 (9.1%)

Leslie/Owen
0 (0.0%)

Another one I forgot
0 (0.0%)

Which house would you most want to live in?

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Green Gables
1 (8.3%)

New Moon
0 (0.0%)

The Blue Castle
0 (0.0%)

Ingleside
2 (16.7%)

Anne's House of Dreams
0 (0.0%)

The Disappointed House
2 (16.7%)

Lantern Hill
0 (0.0%)

Silver Bush
0 (0.0%)

Miss Lavendar's house (this is the correct answer)
1 (8.3%)

The little cottage Anne & her friends live in when they're at Redmond (this is the other correct answer)
6 (50.0%)

Which of Anne's same-age friends is your favorite?

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Diana
3 (27.3%)

Ruby
0 (0.0%)

Jane
1 (9.1%)

Priscilla
1 (9.1%)

Stella
1 (9.1%)

Phil
4 (36.4%)

Leslie
1 (9.1%)

Katherine Brooke
0 (0.0%)

Which of Anne's older lady friends is your favorite? (Marilla doesn't count!)

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Miss Lavendar
4 (36.4%)

Miss Cornelia
2 (18.2%)

Miss Stacy
1 (9.1%)

Susan Baker
1 (9.1%)

Aunt Jimsie
0 (0.0%)

Rachel Lynde
3 (27.3%)

One Lauren somehow managed to forget
0 (0.0%)

Which of Anne's younger friends is your favorite?

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Davy
2 (20.0%)

Dora
1 (10.0%)

Paul
0 (0.0%)

Little Elizabeth
2 (20.0%)

Charlotta the Fourth
5 (50.0%)

One Lauren somehow managed to forget
0 (0.0%)

Which book that has not been adapted most needs to be adapted?

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The Blue Castle
5 (41.7%)

Rilla of Ingleside
3 (25.0%)

One of the other books about Anne
1 (8.3%)

Emily's books
3 (25.0%)

Pat's books
0 (0.0%)

The Story Girl books
0 (0.0%)

Magic for Marigold
0 (0.0%)

A Tangled Web
0 (0.0%)

Kilmeny of the Orchard
0 (0.0%)

One Lauren didn't mention
0 (0.0%)

Which book that isn't Anne of Green Gables is your fave/the one you reread most/the one that is YOURS?

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A different Anne book
3 (27.3%)

An Emily book
3 (27.3%)

The Blue Castle
4 (36.4%)

Rilla of Ingleside specifically
1 (9.1%)

A Pat book
0 (0.0%)

The Tangled Web
0 (0.0%)

A collection of short stories
0 (0.0%)

One of the others Lauren didn't mention
0 (0.0%)

Lauren, I do not read this author
0 (0.0%)

Lauren, I do not read this author and I don't get your ~thing~ for her
0 (0.0%)

Whether you've read one book or all, how do you feel about L.M. Montgomery's writings?

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I have never read any of her books
0 (0.0%)

I have never read any of her books but I keep meaning to
0 (0.0%)

I hate them
0 (0.0%)

Meh. Not for me.
0 (0.0%)

They're fine
0 (0.0%)

They're good but not great
1 (8.3%)

I used to like/love them but I outgrew them
3 (25.0%)

They're lovely! Nostalgic delights!
3 (25.0%)

She's one of my favorite authors and I LOVE her work, even if I can see her weaknesses
4 (33.3%)

Some other opinion Lauren didn't think of
1 (8.3%)

Which character that Lauren headcanons as WLW do you think should have been textually queer?

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Anne
7 (58.3%)

Diana
4 (33.3%)

Phil
3 (25.0%)

Miss Lavendar
3 (25.0%)

Emily
3 (25.0%)

Isle
2 (16.7%)

Cissy Gay
2 (16.7%)

Pat
1 (8.3%)

Miss Cornelia
3 (25.0%)

Another character Lauren forgot
3 (25.0%)

Who is your L.M. Montgomery?



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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2022-10-05 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I love how much you love LMM! My feelings about her are actually "Some other opinion Lauren didn't think of!" For some of her books, lovely nostalgic delights. For others of her books, eh they're fine, and an interesting look at her as an author and her priorities and interests. For others of her books, I know they're beloved by many and I know I can NEVER READ THEM. And then there's The Blue Castle. Which is a book that speaks deeply to my heart, that I have read untold numbers of times, that I know forwards and backwards intimately, that I can always find new things to think about every time I read it regardless. So LMM covers a whole range for me!

I put Terry Pratchett as my answer to who my LMM is, though I don't think he fills quite the same niche for me. He was deeply, enormously influential upon me as a young person and I read and reread him endlessly such that his style of writing feels Right to me whenever I read it, and I love the things he was doing while recognizing his weaknesses, but I don't actually feel the need to reread him much at all these days. He was what I needed as a teen and I'm endlessly grateful and have a huge love for him and his works, but his books are no longer The Thing for me these days.

Upon further reflection I think my actual answer may be "LMM but ONLY for The Blue Castle," lol!
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2022-10-05 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh, super interested! Do you mind sharing which ones?

Oh yeah, it's the Anne books that are about either her or her kids when they're children; I understand they involve a lot of hijinks and people getting into scrapes and making embarrassing mistakes, and I would simply perish of second-hand embarrassment. I avoided the entire Anne series for years after an aborted attempt at reading the first book, but a few years ago I realized I could just skip those books and read only the ones that feature adult characters, and was then able to appreciate at least half the Anne series in the end.

I often wonder if the reason I feel lukewarm about Pratchett is because I discovered him too late.

I think that's very possible. He may well be one of those authors you have to hit at the right age to really fall in love with.

but I just can't take books with a comic tone seriously. And I need to be able to take a book seriously to love it.

Oh fascinating! I think that one of the things Pratchett taught me is that a comic tone can be used to say very serious things, and the one doesn't negate the other, and indeed one can highlight the other in a really amazing way. I think that kind of juxtaposition can be powerful! Now, not all of his books ARE saying serious things, to be clear, but sometimes they really are, and I love how his tone interacts with the serious/comic combination.

Actually, now that I think about it, this might be what I'm currently enjoying so much about Scum Villain's Self-Saving System fandom, my current obsession. It is inherently very funny and very silly, and it is through the humour that the hearts of the characters are accessed. Not a lot of fandoms are about stories that do that, and it really speaks to me!

Did you hear there's an adaptation in production? I haven't heard enough about it yet to know whether to be excited or horrified.

oh huh, I wonder if they were just waiting for the book to go public domain to start working on an adaptation! I really hope it's good, but I am not going to hold my breath on that. Though I have so much investment in this book and in my interpretations that I have, I think, very reasonable concerns that I will argue with the adaptation no matter what it does, lol.
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2022-10-05 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I think of myself as very sensitive to second-hand embarrassment, but am okay with most things that happen

I think that different types of embarrassment affect people in different ways, so we might both be sensitive but to slightly different situations? At any rate I'm glad yours doesn't interfere with your ability to enjoy the Anne books, given how important LMM is to you!

I taught myself to like hot tea by sheer force of will, but it seems I can't do the same with art that I don't connect with!

haha I feel you! I think when I was younger and had less experience with the different kinds of books in the world, I was able to use sheer force of will (eg with Jane Austen. I tried Pride & Prejudice, gave up 100 pages in. Tried Sense & Sensibility, gave up 2 pages in. Tried P&P again, made it to the end, was like "I guess I can see why it's well-regarded but it's not for me." Tried P&P AGAIN, and loved it.) but at this point I don't think that works for me anymore because at this point the issue is highly unlikely to be that I just don't know how to read that kind of book yet!

(and I also taught myself to like tea through sheer force of will! I was like, in social situations one is often offered tea or coffee and it's Weird to refuse both, so I need to learn one, and coffee is the more appalling to my tastes whereas tea is just boring, so let me learn to drink tea! and it worked. I did the same thing with wine, lol.)

And seriously, no pressure to like Terry Pratchett, I may love him but I can absolutely see how he wouldn't be for everyone!

See also: The Thief, which I think could absolutely be an incredible film, but is almost certainly not to be.

ohhhhhhhhh YEAH
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[personal profile] verity 2022-10-06 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
thank you for perfectly explaining what I love about SV!
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2022-10-06 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
:D isn't it great!!
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[personal profile] dollsome 2022-10-05 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this reminder that I need to read more LMM beyond the Anne-verse!!

Also, didn’t Sullivan do a TV adaptation of the Emily books after Road to Avonlea? No clue what it’s like in terms of quality though!
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[personal profile] dollsome 2022-10-05 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I have read The Blue Castle a few times, and it is wonderful! (A really good movie adaptation of that would be such a boon to the world.) I’ve read some of hers outside the Anne series, but not for awhile, and it’s my great shame that I still haven’t read the Emilys!

And I have to say, based on that description now I’m really curious about the Pat books, hahaha. Morbid fascination!
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[personal profile] dollsome 2022-10-05 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I listened to Mansfield Park as an audiobook a few years ago, and it really brought to life to me that it was such an intimate look into the psyche of someone with severe anxiety in Fanny Price. I found it really fascinating and cool to see all those markers of what’s now recognized as anxiety back then! A real “People have always been people” experience for me. For similar reasons I think the Pat books sound intriguing, though - based on a quick search - they seem a little harder to track down than some of hers!
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[personal profile] dollsome 2022-10-07 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Hahaha, I wound up buying the Pat books for $0.99 on Kindle, which is weird proof that apparently I like to do exactly the opposite of what is recommended to me. But thanks for letting me know about them, just the fact that books with this premise exist = really interesting news to me!

Poor LMM. :( I get the sense that often people who feel great pain and sadness regularly are also more carefully attuned to the opposite emotions. It kinda reminds me of how so many people in entertainment, particularly comics, often have anxiety and/or depression.
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[personal profile] belecrivain 2022-10-05 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I was all about the Emily books (to the point that I tried writing an ode to a dead snake after Emily was dared to do it and couldn't) but, as we have discussed to death, Emily/Teddy is Not My Thing. Though I do appreciate how LMM managed to subtly convey how toxic Emily/Dean had the potential to be.

I remember being annoyed at the time by the Anne's-wacky-kids books, but I do think Rilla of Ingleside would be interesting source material for an adaptation, just because we may have more appetite for an appropriately dark look at World War I than was available at the time.

I don't think I have an author I love as much as you love LMM, although Louise Fitzhugh might come close (speaking of canonically queer, I'm sure someone out there has written adult lesbian Beth Ellen fic) and then there's Celine, a book no one has heard of now, but I imprinted upon it so hard I'm afraid to reread it now for fear of being disillusioned.
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[personal profile] belecrivain 2022-10-06 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
And the author was a lesbian, wasn't she?

She was! There's a biography that's come out about her in the last year or so, titled Sometimes You Have to Lie. There were stylistic choices that annoyed me about it, namely my feeling that the author labored overmuch to establish Fitzhugh's importance in the larger culture, but I think you'd enjoy reading it (especially since Fitzhugh was in part rebelling against a inward-focused Tennessee family that had a hard time accepting her).

And yes, that was totally me on the Ilse/Perry train. In retrospect (I'd have to go back and reread the first two Emily books) I don't think Ilse is as well-developed a character as the books need (certainly she doesn't stick with people the way Diana does). But Perry's great.

Thinking about this I remember I went through a hard Marion Zimmer Bradley phase when I was a kid, but I think that was less "I love this author" and more "I hear there's lesbian content, maybe it's in this one!" So when the revelations came out I was saddened but not heartbroken, if that makes sense. I also went through a (much more hardcore) Agatha Christie phase, but again, it wasn't some kind of soul-bonding, it was more, I liked the formula and wanted more of it.
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[personal profile] theseatheseatheopensea 2022-10-05 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I've only read the Anne books ages ago, so I mostly remember their nice, nostalgic vibe, and I agree, they have a very autumn-like mood!

As for my LMM equivalent, it was Hermann Hesse when I was a teenager--his books made a huge impression on me back then, so they have a sort of nostalgic vibe, and I always enjoy re-reading them. These days I would probably say it's García Lorca, whose work I discovered at around the same age, and have loved ceaselessly since then! <3
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[personal profile] theseatheseatheopensea 2022-10-07 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Hesse is all about the Meaning of Life and spirituality and finding balance while finding oneself, and I still find him very thought-provoking. He's also good with deep (sometimes homoerotic) friendships, so that's a bonus too! As for García Lorca, I have a soft spot for his poems, especially "Poet In New York", which is a very thoughtful criticism of capitalism and racism, while also being full of sadness and alienation and loneliness and longing, especially regarding same-sex love, all wrapped up in incredibly beautiful and evocative language! <3
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[personal profile] verity 2022-10-06 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
thank you for this post and this poll, this makes me realize I am so overdue for a LMM reread!!!!! I love them ALL.

also omg the flashbacks to my problematic youthful Emily/Dean shipping ahahahaha
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[personal profile] chestnut_pod 2022-10-06 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
Agh, I filled in "I loved them but outgrew them," but really I was searching for what Sophie's said: "[S]He was what I needed as a teen and I'm endlessly grateful and have a huge love for [her] and [her] works, but [her] books are no longer The Thing for me these days."

That's the LMM feeling in this household. But one day I will have fireplace ornaments and they will be named Gog and Magog.

As for who my LMM is? Robin McKinley all the way.
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2022-10-06 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
I really ship Emily/Ilse.

The LMM thing that has stuck with me the most, but which I don't think I've ever seen discussed when people talk about her books, is the Flash in the Emily books. It's so strange and haunting and inexplicable, and I've never encountered anything quite like it in fiction anywhere else.
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[personal profile] elperian 2022-10-06 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
I was really bad at this poll because I've only read the AOGG books and it has been a couple decades! So I don't have enough opinions to really share, but I thought you would appreciate that Brian Jacques is my L.M.M. Montgomery ^_^
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[personal profile] nnozomi 2022-10-07 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't read enough LMM to fill out the poll properly, only the Anne and Emily books, and most of them not for many years--the only one I still reread is Rilla of Ingleside, which I still love, mostly for Susan Baker ("and that you may tie to"). (I also picked up a copy of LMM's diaries somewhere and read it with great fascination and then vowed never to read it again, because it's a book-length, real-time, well-written depiction of a slow spiral into clinical depression and it horrified me as such.)
"Who is your LMM," such a good question. I'm not sure I have one who precisely fits the criteria, but I think all said and done Diane Duane is probably the closest.
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[personal profile] deird1 2022-10-10 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
Rilla is the best. In every respect. That is all. :)