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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2013-07-22 08:50 am

booooooks

Things are dead on lj as usual, so let's talk about BOOKS. BOOKS BOOKS BOOKS.

I just recently read Tana French's In the Woods and The Likeness and I have to say that I'm completely obsessed. Everything she writes is so completely psychologically beautiful and dark and painful and her characters are amazing and her prose is beautiful without being showy or purple and I wish I could write just like her. Just like her.

ANYWAY. I liked The Likeness best, but let me just say: it's completely unbelievable. The entire premise is absolutely implausible and yet I just don't care. It doesn't matter. It reminds me of my favorite Roger Ebert quote: "It’s not what a movie is about, it’s how it is about it." The book solidified my belief that any story can be beautiful, no matter what it's about as long as the author knows how to approach it, as long as the writer is a good writer.

Do you have any favorite books that are completely implausible but that you love anyway? Bel Canto comes to mind. That book would never have been written post-9/11, and pretty much every page has you going, "Yeah, okay, whatever," in the most sarcastic way possible, but Patchett (WHO I HAVE MET AND WHO SAID SHE LIKED MY DRESS) pulls it off in the sense that while you're inside it, the story works.

I actually love when writers take stupid or ridiculous premises and make them work. Nothing makes me happier than a cracky premise treated with seriousness. Does anyone else have any stories like that? Not really talking about fantasy/sci-fi necessarily, but things that are treated realistically. (fics count too!)

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2013-07-22 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
My favourite example of "utterly self-admittedly ridiculous premise" is 1632 by Eric Flint, in which a gang of straight-talkin' straight-shootin' good ol' boys from today's West Virginia get sent back to Germany in the 30 years' war. The book starts off with the author going "OK, so the reason they get sent back in time, uh... aliens. Yeah, aliens, that'll work. They were sent back by aliens. Though I want to be clear that this isn't a story about aliens. The aliens will never be mentioned again. But that's the reason for it. So yeah, aliens blah blah blah, now let's get on with the story."

(It helps me overlook the not-as-bad-as-it-might-have-been-but-still-there reactionary macho posturing of the story too.)
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[personal profile] snickfic 2013-07-22 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
The Blue Castle is one I love despite ridiculousness. Two of the three huge coincidences are really incidental to anything that happens in the book, and I rather wish they'd been left out. The purple pills one, at the very least.

OH. Okay, here's one, and it's fantasy but bear with me: China Mieviell's latest, Railsea. It's about how the ground is... radioactive (?), anyway it can't be walked on, and so people "sail" the open dirt plains by rail. And there somehow enough rails laid over thousands of square miles that activities like hunting giant moles is a possible activity. And no one knows where the rails came from! It's generally believed that they were laid by the gods!

It's a premise approximately as plausible as, say, Cars, and I was skeptical, but Mieville totally sells it. He has me believing in mole trains (analogous to whaling ships).

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2013-07-22 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
That is GLORIOUS. And ridiculous. I wish more writers would do this. It would bring so much fun to the publishing industry.

I might have to look into that one....

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2013-07-22 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
The purple pills one, at the very least.

YES. I agree. It was a bit too neat. I can buy the mixed-up letters and the John Foster thing doesn't make me headdesk too much but the purple pills is too much.

And there somehow enough rails laid over thousands of square miles that activities like hunting giant moles is a possible activity. And no one knows where the rails came from! It's generally believed that they were laid by the gods!

This is totally silly but I kind of love it. I really do need to read more of him but for some reason I find it hard to get into his stuff.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2013-07-22 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen it fanwanked that for aliens with time-travel capacity, sending primitive life forms back in time is a common exhibit at high school science fairs.

1632 is fun, if hardly a masterpiece (and the sequels are reportedly very uneven, partly because Flint loves fanfic and will canonize just about anything). There are bits where it's really clever - like how our heroes are afraid to use their shotguns because they think the "medieval" peasants will think they're witches, and instead the 17th century folks just go "Wow, improved muskets! Where can I get one?" Or a Jewish doctor feeling sorry for the Americans because they only speak one language, whereas he speaks a dozen...

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2013-07-22 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen it fanwanked that for aliens with time-travel capacity, sending primitive life forms back in time is a common exhibit at high school science fairs.

Haha! That's adorable!

That does sound fun. I think I'd especially enjoy the whole 'people from back then being way smarter and more worldly than you'd think' aspect.
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[personal profile] snickfic 2013-07-22 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Mieville isn't a great fit for everyone, so I certainly don't want to push. I just love him so much that I want everyone to try. :D And he has a number of different modes - The City and the City, for instance, is very different from the Bas-Lag novels like Perdido Street Station and The Scar, and Railsea is something else again - all the worldbuilding and acrobatic prose, less of the nihilism, and none of the gross factor that the Bas-Lag novels have.

I forget, what of his have you read?

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2013-07-22 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, the only thing I've read is King Rat. But I have a copy of The City and the City at my house and I think it's one I could actually read at some point. I tried Perdido Street Station and had trouble getting into it.

[identity profile] ladysophiekitty.livejournal.com 2013-07-22 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I have been meaning to read In the Woods books! My to read list on Goodreads is ~580 books long though so it might be a good while before I get to them lol.I will look up The Likeness.

Do you have a Goodreads account? I love that site so much. I've found SO MANY books to read through there and I love being able to keep track of everything i read and want to read so nicely.

And yes! I know exactly what you mean about implausible books that you love, though I can't seem to think of any right now. But I have several. Fics especially :P

Lately I've been re-reading Tamora Pierce's books and they're just so comforting and awesome and I love them so much. SO FEMINIST AND AWESOME.

[identity profile] phaedresgarden.livejournal.com 2013-07-22 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I tend to read mostly for escapism more than anything else so I don't read much that's probably considered great literature or whatnot. I'm currently in the midst of re-reading all the DiscWorld novels from Terry Pratchett, specifically focusing on the ones which feature Sam Vimes (Captain of the Watch) I finished Guards Guards! a night or two ago and I've just started Men at Arms.

I think all of his books require a huge suspension of disbelief on one level but on another they are so real and human that they linger with you. Of course they are all Satirical in nature and do a lot of discussion of "human beings are kind of insane" but do it in a sort of..affectionately exasperated kind of way.

For example in the book I'm reading now, he says something kind of profound I thought. This is a world where weaponry does not include firearms and the antagonist of the book gets his hands on a gun, (a gonne as it is spelled in the book) and he says that the character, once having the gonne continued existing but was no longer really that person because of having laid hands on the gonne. I should go find the quote, because to me that resonated. I do think something does seem to happen to some people when they get a gun irl, where they are not the person they were beforehand.

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[personal profile] snickfic 2013-07-22 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Blarg, the anon comment was me.
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[personal profile] molly_may 2013-07-23 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Gone Girl, which I liked quite a bit (though many other people did not!), has a plot that becomes more and more implausible the further you get into the book, and I think what I ended up enjoying the most about it was how cracky and far-out the premise got. It is, however, one of the most misanthropic books I've ever read.

[identity profile] gryfndor-godess.livejournal.com 2013-07-23 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I thought about reccing this book! It's so implausible and yet still remains horrifying. I liked it so much, but I also felt like I needed to take a shower at the end to get all the ick off...

It is, however, one of the most misanthropic books I've ever read.

I am both in awe of and kind of scared of the author, TBH.

[identity profile] catteo.livejournal.com 2013-07-23 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
I recently read Broken Harbour by Tana French and thought it was amazing for just the reasons that you mention. There's just this sense of despair that she manages to weave through her books that is utterly depressing but at the same time unputdownable! The other author that gives me similar feels is Gillian Flynn. Particularly Sharp Objects which had a totally ridiculous plot but was just so darkly stunning. The thing I love most about her stuff is the way that she thanks her husband for knowing what goes on in her head and still sleeping in the same room as her!
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[personal profile] molly_may 2013-07-23 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
It's so implausible and yet still remains horrifying

Yep! I was just impressed that she made it horrifying in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY than how you think it will be horrifying from the events that kick off the story at the beginning of the book.

Heh, it's a tough book to talk about without spoilers!

[identity profile] pennydrdful.livejournal.com 2013-07-25 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Completely agree with you both! I very nearly didn't read Gone Girl since mysteries and thrillers aren't really my thing. But I'm so glad I did! It's such an amazing and kind of creepy book. Amy is one of those characters that just sticks with you.

[identity profile] pennydrdful.livejournal.com 2013-07-25 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
So, I still haven't read any of Ann Patchett's fiction yet. But I adore her nonfiction. I should probably get around to picking up Bel Canto some time.