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lirazel ([personal profile] lirazel) wrote2010-05-14 10:09 am

Sara Crewe was totally a fanfic writer

I have other things to post, like the continuation of my 30 Days of TV Meme, among other things.

But this is it for now:

REASONS I WRITE FANFIC

Bold any reasons that apply to you, strike out any that don't (if you feel like it), and add three reasons of your own to the bottom.

1. To explore themes that I don't get to see in mass media using characters I love.
2. Because it's fun.

3. Because mass media does a crappy job of representing my race and sexual orientation gender.
4. Because I can get more people aboard my ship writing a story than a manifesto.
5. Because TV science-fiction doesn't explore its science-fiction premises in enough depth.

6. Because it's a gift I can give a stranger and know they will enjoy it.
7. Because I resonate emotionally with the characters what I read and watch, and want to find out why by writing about it.
8. Because every tale is a universe, often with fascinating nooks and crannies that the original author never explored.
9. Because I've made some of my best and dearest friends through this very wacky hobby.
10. Because the world the creator made is vast, and I want to see more of it.
11. Because writing as a communal experience is amazing.
12. Because I can.
13. Because I get so much enjoyment from reading fan fiction that I want to contribute to the community by providing enjoyment for other fans.
14. When I become interested in particular actors and/or characters, sometimes I want to explore them in different contexts than their canons would ever allow.

15. I enjoy writing but I feel ambivalent about trying to get published; writing fan fiction frees me by removing the pressure to sell from consideration.
16. Because of 'tribbers copies (I didn't have a lot of money so I contributed drawings and stories to zines I wanted free copies of.)
17. Because I had a talent for writing humor, even for not-very-humorous shows, and I loved it when people laughed.

18. Because I was once part of a fun fannish clique of talented women who encouraged me to write, talked story with me, and applauded what I wrote.
19. Because my ship will never be canon, no matter how much I might like it to be, and therefore if I want to see it I'll just have to write it myself.
[This was my original reason for writing fic, waaaaaaay back in the day.]
20. Because the writers are not going to devote a chapter or an episode or an entire movie scene to my favorite character's hobbies and pastimes, and I like writing that sort of thing.
21. Because it's writing which is fun and relaxing for me to do in the free time when I'm not working on my original fiction and/or trying to get published.
22. Because sometimes, when I'm waiting for a new episode or book or whatever, all my ideas about what will happen next keep running around in my head, and I have to get them out somehow.
23. Because these characters grab a hold of me and make me want to know them as best I can.
24. Because I am a creative person who is inspired by other creative people.


And my add-three:

25. Because it's a way of exploring the aspects of a canon that I love while ignoring, critiquing, or undermining the ones that I find offensive, boring, or unimaginative.
26. Because I love the idea of perpetuating a community in which love and gifts and critical-thinking and fun and community are the driving forces, not money, fame, or power.
27. Because the original writers told me to. [Joss, our relationship may be a bit rocky right now, but you got this one thing absolutely right.]


And I just want to say this one thing: writers always use the "My characters are my children!" defense. Which I get. I feel that way about my original characters as well.

But here's the thing. Should I ever have kids, I want to rear them to be thoughtful, compassionate, interesting, educated, respectful people. And then? I want them to go out into the world and have all kinds of relationships with people who aren't me. Most of those will be platonic. Some of them will probably be sexual. And as long as they don't tell me about the sexual ones? I'll be fine.

Also, Ms. Gabaldon and Mr. Martin, now that I know that you feel that way about your characters, those sex scenes you wrote? About your children? Are now kind of creepy. I wonder what your children would think of their parent writing porn about them..../snark

And that is why I'm perfectly fine with the idea of people writing fanfic of my work (the idea that my work might be so beloved one day is thrilling!), despite also feeling that my characters are kinda like my children.

:P

[identity profile] ava-leigh-fitz.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
YOU ARE FANTASTIC.

Just thought I should throw that out there.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
YOU ARE ALSO FANTASTIC.

Oh! I've been meaning to flail with you in your She and Him post!

*scurries off*
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[personal profile] quinara 2010-05-14 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm always intrigued by the comparison of characters to children, because for me it's not like that at all... My OCs are more like people, just random people, who I get to know and then have to leave after not staying with them for a long enough time. This is why I tend to let them appear again whenever they're relevant (and why I'd be tickled pink if someone wanted to use them - I'd want credit for their creation, of course, but I'd love to see them getting up to other stuff).

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha! I feel that way about some of them, but others have been in my head for literally years and years. Those are the ones I can understand the impulse to say, "They're like my children!" about. But yeah: it's definitely hyperbole: I know if I had kids I'd feel way more for them than I do for my characters.
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[personal profile] snickfic 2010-05-14 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, this is me wanting the facts, ma'am, but: what's the code between bolded items, crossed out items, and the three items you added? Are you comparing this list to someone else's, or to a previous list of yours, or...?

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha!

I forgot to include the instructions!

Here they are:

Bold any reasons that apply to you, strike out any that don't (if you feel like it), and add three reasons of your own to the bottom.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-05-14 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with you so hardcore! The reasons and the addendum and the snark about Gabaldon and Martin writing sex scenes about their kids LMFAO4EVER!

The only thing I'd add is that I do like writing humor. :)

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously, every time they say that about their children, particularly Gabaldon, I'm all YOU WRITE EXPLICIT SEX SCENES EVERY FEW PAGES. This argument totally falls apart at the point you realize that.

I still feel so insecure about humor; I'll never think of myself that way. But I love you writing humor--you write fantastically awesome in-character Whedonesque (in the best sense) dialogue. And you sneak it into dramatic scenes, too!

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I think it's funny that I've got such a huge humiliation squick, but there are loads of funny situations I like to create. Like the not-porn DVDs and how everyone reacts crazy when that happens while Spike is just smirking. And in RL, I tend to be awful at humor, so it's really rewarding to be able to pull it off and have some say I have a great sense of comic timing. No, seriously. I said something raunchy and funny a few weeks ago and everyone stared at me in shock and then had the delayed reaction of: "Wow, Emmie, that was actually funny." I can't decide to be amused or miffed by that, haha! It makes me want to point them to all the humor and snark in my fic, though.

It's interesting 'cause I know you've felt uncomfortable with writing humor, but that in just chatting, you go to those places yourself with the humor and mockery. But maybe you pull back in writing it? I think when you write, you write with sincerity at its heart. And humor is irreverance that almost appears to belie its sincerity, but it's actually a way to show the truth of who funny people relate. "Love and Blackmail" had loads of great humor! And the character revealing poetry in "Ars Poetica" especially when you have Buffy saying Giles will like hanging with Spike 'cause he's spouting Shakespeare and Giles is British--hilarious!

So maybe that's key the key. Character humor like Community.

[identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
And that is why I'm perfectly fine with the idea of people writing fanfic of my work (the idea that my work might be so beloved one day is thrilling!), despite also feeling that my characters are kinda like my children.

Latest conversation with the therapist:

Me: "I'll recognized that I've reached my career goals if (a) there is a Comic-Con panel for a show I have helped create, (b) there are action figures for characters I have helped create, or (c) people write fan fiction about the characters I create, no matter how poorly written or sexually depraved."

Therapist: "You want people to write your characters as sexually depraved?"

Me: "Hell, even J.K. Rowling has people writing creepy incest porn about the Weasley twins. It's a compliment."

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
I love your therapy stories. LOVE. THEM.

I'm not going to lie: I fantasize about being on panels at cons all the time. Your career goals are the greatest career goals ever.

"Hell, even J.K. Rowling has people writing creepy incest porn about the Weasley twins. It's a compliment." LOL FOREVER.

[identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
I think I kinda decided I could enjoy HP without joining the fandom when I stumbled on some explicit Weasley Twincest fanart on a friend's deviant art account.

Yeah, needed some brain bleach desperately after that.

Though I may briefly delve to write that "Dawn ships Draco/Hermione with a self-insert sister post-The Gift" ficlet inspired by Gabs' fanfic post. But that's as far as I'll delve. That world makes the Buffy fandom look like a sit-in..
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[personal profile] next_to_normal 2010-05-15 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
Should I ever have kids, I want to rear them to be thoughtful, compassionate, interesting, educated, respectful people. And then? I want them to go out into the world and have all kinds of relationships with people who aren't me. Most of those will be platonic. Some of them will probably be sexual. And as long as they don't tell me about the sexual ones? I'll be fine.

Also, Ms. Gabaldon and Mr. Martin, now that I know that you feel that way about your characters, those sex scenes you wrote? About your children? Are now kind of creepy. I wonder what your children would think of their parent writing porn about them..../snark


OMG SO MUCH YES.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-15 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
I earned the "you win!" icon! I feel so proud!

But seriously, that is such a silly thing to say.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
I have the world's biggest humiliation squick as well--I've had to pause Being Erica several times in the last few days and leave the room for a while before I can handle it again. That definitely plays into the humor thing, because I sincerely hate watching people be humiliated. I also hate watching people be uncomfortable. I need to overcome that, I think.

Yeah, I know what you mean. A few people who are close to me think I'm hilarious and are always laughing at me--but most people I know would definitely not rate humor very high on my list of qualities.

But you definitely pull it off in your writing. There's a glee behind your humor as well, and it's never got a hint of cruelty or condescension or bitterness like some comedy does.

And humor is irreverance that almost appears to belie its sincerity, but it's actually a way to show the truth of who funny people relate. I think you're right. That kind of irreverence is difficult for me. I take the world very seriously, I think, because I feel very, very deeply, so even joy is something to be taken seriously, I guess? I need to think about this more. It's nothing I'd really considered before, but it's awesome that you're pointing it out. You often point out things in my writing that I don't notice, and it's such a wonderful gift you have.

So maybe that's key the key. Character humor like Community. Definitely. I know that's the reason that show speaks to me as much as it does. That and the clear affection the writers have for their characters.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
Oooh. Yeah.

I wrote a great deal of HP fic for a few years there, but I can't say that I was in the fandom. And I didn't venture outside of my comfort zones--R/Hr, gen, and a lot of stuff about the Black family, mostly.

Twincest--as all incest!fic--freaks me the hell out.

I wish you would write that fic! I think it would be adorable and fun!

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2010-05-16 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, there's some points in Being Erica where I just can't watch. I just CAN'T. But I do enjoy it. I'm actually up to the Yom Kippur episode. But I haven't fallen yet, so maybe it's hitting too close to home? I dunno.

A few people who are close to me think I'm hilarious and are always laughing at me

Yeah, I tend to act silly and self-deprecating a lot. And some of my friends write it off as me being dorky. I don't think they realize I do it deliberately because being silly is fun to me. I had good friends in college who understood that side of me though, so I was glad for that. It's kinda sad though when someone you're close to doesn't see your humor. But then we all have different tastes.

But you definitely pull it off in your writing. There's a glee behind your humor as well, and it's never got a hint of cruelty or condescension or bitterness like some comedy does.


I think the key to humor like that is character. How do you put the characters together in such a way that they play off each other? How do you point out a truth exaggerated to the point that it becomes ridiculous? Which is all to say that I think you're so incredibly insightful when it comes to understanding character that I think you can, have and should write humor. But I already pointed out the instances where you've written hilarity! Like Buffy treating Giles as a British cliche--that humor is totally grounded in her character. I mean, just look at your Topher fic compared to Composition. The humor of that situation, perhaps the prompt itself, demanded irreverence and you delivered it in spades, but with enough sincerity of feeling that it wasn't crack!fic.

But I also love how seriously you imbue your stories with feeling, so don't think of it as a weakness! It's a gift, a strength in being able to express powerful emotion. I just think you have all the ability to write humor--character love, irony--that you need only employ.

[identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com 2010-05-18 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I enjoy your silliness, and I know what you mean. I was pretty much surrounded in college by people in the humanities. Right after I graduated I went to this career day thing and all the people there were business majors. NO ONE GOT MY HUMOR. It was horrible. So I know what you mean about people understanding that side of you and it being important.

You do the best things for my self-esteem, seriously. This made me flush red! And it also made me feel better about maybe trying some more comic stuff in the future!

And I know you think you aren't talented in the angst area, but I think you absolutely can be, particularly because you understand the characters so well. Like the scene in TYSK where Buffy sort of shuts down for a bit because of how responsible she feels for the attack on the Slayers? Yes. That is so Buffy (and it honestly solidified my suspicion that you do, in fact, know more about the character than the S8 writers). And angsty. I'd really love to see what you did with a S6 piece. I think your insights into her at that time in her life would be really, really awesome.