They want to not need anyone. They want our country to not need anyone. Their idea of strength is standing alone.

I think many of these folks (maybe not the DOGE people, but who knows) do want dependence - but on them, with folks needing to be in the good graces of whoever is in charge to receive support. Cooperation is a foundation of human society though, and if they tear down one, we'll build another system or have no society at all.